Tick control for pregnant & nursing bitches? - Exclusively Setters2024-03-29T13:25:07Zhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/865021:Topic:60901?commentId=865021%3AComment%3A61151&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThis is only in German but yo…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2008-05-23:865021:Comment:723132008-05-23T21:54:34.160ZSilvia Lindner-Raehttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/SilviaLindnerRae
This is only in German but you can find it in American sites as well, I am sure. Garlic and onion are absolutely toxic for dogs, cats and horses. They may deter ticks but they also destroy their blood.<br />
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vera/aho) Die amerikanische Tierärztin Karen Hayes, DVM, MS, warnt Hunde-, Katzen- und Pferdehalter davor, ihren Tieren Knoblauch als gesundheitsförderliches Ergänzungsfuttermittel oder und natürliches Insektenschutzmittel zu füttern. Knoblauchzehen enthält wie auch gewöhnliche Zwiebeln den…
This is only in German but you can find it in American sites as well, I am sure. Garlic and onion are absolutely toxic for dogs, cats and horses. They may deter ticks but they also destroy their blood.<br />
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vera/aho) Die amerikanische Tierärztin Karen Hayes, DVM, MS, warnt Hunde-, Katzen- und Pferdehalter davor, ihren Tieren Knoblauch als gesundheitsförderliches Ergänzungsfuttermittel oder und natürliches Insektenschutzmittel zu füttern. Knoblauchzehen enthält wie auch gewöhnliche Zwiebeln den Wirkstoff N - Propyl - Disulfid, der rote Blutkörperchen zerstören kann. Folgen sind eine Anämie (Blutarmut), mangelhafte Ausdauer, Kraftlosigkeit und eine erhöhte Anfälligkeit für Infektionen. In einem Versuch verloren beispielsweise Pferde 60% ihrer roten Blutkörperchen, nachdem man ihnen für etwa zwei Wochen Zwiebeln gefüttert hatte. Sie gerieten hierdurch in Lebensgefahr. Weitgehend unbekannt ist, daß auch Hund und Katze auf Aufnahme von Küchenzwiebeln mit Hämolyse (Zerstörung der roten Blutkörperchen) reagieren können.<br />
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Dies gilt sowohl für rohe als auch für gekochte und getrocknete Zwiebeln. Beim Hund wirken sich bereits 5-10 g/kg KM rohe Zwiebeln toxisch aus, verantwortlich hierfür sind Schwefelverbindungen, die die Erythrozytenmembran schädigen und Methämoglobin bilden können. Die Vergiftung äußert sich zunächst in Erbrechen und Durchfall, nach 1 - 3 Tagen folgen die Symptome der hämolytischen Anämie (Blutarmut durch Zerstörung der roten Blukörperchen): Appetitlosigkeit, Abgeschlagenheit, blasse Schleimhäute, schnelle Atmung und schneller Puls. Nach Einstellung der Zwiebelfütterung tritt Erholung in der Regel<br />
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innerhalb einer Woche ein. Tierärztin Karen Hayes belegt ihre Aussagen mit einer Reihe von<br />
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Literaturhinweisen:<br />
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Pierce, K.R., et al., Acute hemolytic anemia caused by wild onion poisoning in horses, “Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association,” 1972; pages 160/323 - 327.<br />
Lewis L.D. “Equine Clinical Nutrition,” Williams and Wilkins, 1995, page 480.<br />
Kobluk, Ames, and George, “The Horse; Diseases and Clinical Management,” Saunders, 1995, page 1,083.<br />
Knight A.P. and Walter R.G. “A Guide To Plant Poisoning Of Animals In North America,” Teton NewMedia, 2001, page 186.<br />
Murphy M., “A Field Guide To Common Animal Poisons”; Iowa State University Press, 1996, page 160. Hi Sylvia
Im just getting ro…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2008-05-23:865021:Comment:723032008-05-23T20:34:21.386ZOssianhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Ossian
Hi Sylvia<br />
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Im just getting round to reading this post. I have always given my dogs garlic - its good for the blood and it definitely deters ticks. Where did you read garlic wasnt good for them?
Hi Sylvia<br />
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Im just getting round to reading this post. I have always given my dogs garlic - its good for the blood and it definitely deters ticks. Where did you read garlic wasnt good for them? We have ticks in our garden a…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2008-05-19:865021:Comment:713272008-05-19T20:18:45.448ZSilvia Lindner-Raehttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/SilviaLindnerRae
We have ticks in our garden and I make sure that I get all the ticks off the dogs every morning and evening - bathing helps. Picking them off the dogs is the safest thing according to our vet, as you would have to use different remedies against the different ticks - one for almost each European country. It is absolutely insane, and we believe that they parmy cpompanies actually are behind this hype. Of course there are certain deseases as babesiosis and such, but all our friends dogs got them…
We have ticks in our garden and I make sure that I get all the ticks off the dogs every morning and evening - bathing helps. Picking them off the dogs is the safest thing according to our vet, as you would have to use different remedies against the different ticks - one for almost each European country. It is absolutely insane, and we believe that they parmy cpompanies actually are behind this hype. Of course there are certain deseases as babesiosis and such, but all our friends dogs got them although they had all sorts of things on them. Ours have nothing exept flea collars and our dogs haven't had anything ever.<br />
Silvia Lindner-Rae The safest thing is actually…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2008-05-19:865021:Comment:713232008-05-19T20:15:10.040ZSilvia Lindner-Raehttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/SilviaLindnerRae
The safest thing is actually citronella as garlic, thyme and eucalyptus is bad for dogs - and on a bitch in whelping I would not use either, that is for sure.
The safest thing is actually citronella as garlic, thyme and eucalyptus is bad for dogs - and on a bitch in whelping I would not use either, that is for sure. We had both our litters in sp…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2008-05-19:865021:Comment:713172008-05-19T20:12:09.159ZSilvia Lindner-Raehttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/SilviaLindnerRae
We had both our litters in spring or summer and i never used anything - if you can make sure that you get all the ticks off the bitch before they have been on for 18 hours they will not affect her. But you have to search her carefully. I do not trust any of their confirmations that the stuff is safe.
We had both our litters in spring or summer and i never used anything - if you can make sure that you get all the ticks off the bitch before they have been on for 18 hours they will not affect her. But you have to search her carefully. I do not trust any of their confirmations that the stuff is safe. I have had a look through the…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2008-05-17:865021:Comment:705412008-05-17T15:55:44.209ZOssianhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Ossian
I have had a look through the posts and there are some good suggestions but I would add:<br />
if your dog is likely to encounter ticks (and its correct they are on the increase year on year) you should be feeding fresh garlic (or garlic powder) in every dinner. Start at least six weeks before the season begins (but really you can feed all year)<br />
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Most ticks arrive on the dogs body in the area around the forehead, neck and chest and then migrate out to the warm easy spots to burrow. Use a carrier oil…
I have had a look through the posts and there are some good suggestions but I would add:<br />
if your dog is likely to encounter ticks (and its correct they are on the increase year on year) you should be feeding fresh garlic (or garlic powder) in every dinner. Start at least six weeks before the season begins (but really you can feed all year)<br />
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Most ticks arrive on the dogs body in the area around the forehead, neck and chest and then migrate out to the warm easy spots to burrow. Use a carrier oil (like almond oil) and mix twelve drops of sandalwood oil and twelve drops of eucalyptus oil along with a shake of lemon thyme if you have it. shake up and massage into the head, neck and shoulders. dont worry if you have a working dog massage in the night before and most of the strong smell will have dissipated but it will still deter a great many of these little varmints! Its quite frightening how tic…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2008-05-17:865021:Comment:704782008-05-17T11:23:03.310ZMargaret Sierakowskihttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/MargaretSierakowski
Its quite frightening how ticks are increasing. It began to be noticeable in Scotland in the early nineties, when young grouse began to show gradually heavier infestations. I've read that it is something that has spread westwards across Europe, with more ticks being brought into Scotland by migrating birds. The last two summers have been particularly bad. My son told me that last August , at the end of each day's grouse shooting , the owners of some springers who had been used for picking up,…
Its quite frightening how ticks are increasing. It began to be noticeable in Scotland in the early nineties, when young grouse began to show gradually heavier infestations. I've read that it is something that has spread westwards across Europe, with more ticks being brought into Scotland by migrating birds. The last two summers have been particularly bad. My son told me that last August , at the end of each day's grouse shooting , the owners of some springers who had been used for picking up, were taking up to 50 ticks off each dog. I was averaging two or three ticks taken off each of my dogs every day. It used to be that they only got ticks when they were higher up on the hills where there are more deer, but now even the field around the house is infested with them. I'm told that last year, for the first time ticks were found even in gardens in the city of Edinburgh, so they are no longer found only on the hils in Scotland<br />
Fortunately the main risk from our ticks is Lyme disease, and we dont get the other tick borne diseases that you have in Europe. But if more ticks are being brought in by migrating birds we will surely start to see the other diseases here too<br />
Margaret Sierakowski this might be possible in som…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2008-05-17:865021:Comment:704712008-05-17T10:53:40.109ZLaura Kolbachhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/paintedblue
this might be possible in some countries but not in Hungary unfortunately... ticks are now everywhere, they can be picked up on the streets, the dog running places, and they even found their places in the gardens!!! we even managed to pick up one at a dog show... so you don't even have to go to the field or woods to have them on the dogs :-((( very frustrating...
this might be possible in some countries but not in Hungary unfortunately... ticks are now everywhere, they can be picked up on the streets, the dog running places, and they even found their places in the gardens!!! we even managed to pick up one at a dog show... so you don't even have to go to the field or woods to have them on the dogs :-((( very frustrating... Is it possible to simply keep…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2008-05-17:865021:Comment:704232008-05-17T08:05:40.680ZMargaret Sierakowskihttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/MargaretSierakowski
Is it possible to simply keep your pregnant bitch away from places where she might pick up ticks? Exercise her in a park or garden with very short grass and avoid fields with long grass.<br />
Rather than using chemicals on her while she is in whelp?<br />
Margaret Sierakowski
Is it possible to simply keep your pregnant bitch away from places where she might pick up ticks? Exercise her in a park or garden with very short grass and avoid fields with long grass.<br />
Rather than using chemicals on her while she is in whelp?<br />
Margaret Sierakowski Verry interesting discussion…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2008-05-17:865021:Comment:704182008-05-17T07:47:42.561ZMarta Magihttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/totoritti
Verry interesting discussion Susan!<br />
One of the reasons of I am hoping to have a winter litter is the tick problem, however sometimes they can be dangerous even in February - reference to Alenka's story :-((<br />
Normally I use spot - on products like Frontline and Advantix taking turns at using them. Once the one then the other of the two, hoping that the agent will not become so usual for the system and it works more effectively - it's just my method.<br />
As for the pregnant bitches, I still am in…
Verry interesting discussion Susan!<br />
One of the reasons of I am hoping to have a winter litter is the tick problem, however sometimes they can be dangerous even in February - reference to Alenka's story :-((<br />
Normally I use spot - on products like Frontline and Advantix taking turns at using them. Once the one then the other of the two, hoping that the agent will not become so usual for the system and it works more effectively - it's just my method.<br />
As for the pregnant bitches, I still am in search for the right one, but surely will use someting homoeopathic one on Sarah from about a couple of weeks before the mating. The aloevera sounds good, would be great to know about experiences with it tough.<br />
Not easy.......hopefully we will find the right solution that is good in every respect!