Advice on Bloat, as given in the Irish Setter Breeders Club Newsletter, Winter 2009 - Exclusively Setters2024-03-28T18:13:36Zhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/advice-on-bloat-as-given-in?x=1&id=865021%3ATopic%3A273909&feed=yes&xn_auth=noAbout the Barf diet, I placed…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-12-30:865021:Comment:2756682009-12-30T20:07:59.476ZAstrid Landsaathttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/AstridLandsaat
About the Barf diet, I placed this article on a Barf forum: <a href="http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/barf-myth.html" target="_blank">http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/barf-myth.html</a> :-) In my opinion the only good point that Barfers have is that most common dogfoods contains a lot of stuff that dogs don't need. I mean grain and preservatives.
About the Barf diet, I placed this article on a Barf forum: <a href="http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/barf-myth.html" target="_blank">http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/barf-myth.html</a> :-) In my opinion the only good point that Barfers have is that most common dogfoods contains a lot of stuff that dogs don't need. I mean grain and preservatives. No reply button on the ones I…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-12-30:865021:Comment:2754382009-12-30T07:00:29.208Zursula wilbyhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/mossby188
No reply button on the ones I wanted to answer so lets hope this ends up in the correct place...<br />
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My own puppy-buyers are almost 100 % pet-owners (or people that want to work with their dogs) as I am not myself interested in shows and rather work with my dogs. But I do come in contact with a lot of pet-owners at training-clubs etc. and yes, as it is said, having bought a puppy with champion-parents does make lots of people feel as if they have got "value for their money". Even if they are never…
No reply button on the ones I wanted to answer so lets hope this ends up in the correct place...<br />
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My own puppy-buyers are almost 100 % pet-owners (or people that want to work with their dogs) as I am not myself interested in shows and rather work with my dogs. But I do come in contact with a lot of pet-owners at training-clubs etc. and yes, as it is said, having bought a puppy with champion-parents does make lots of people feel as if they have got "value for their money". Even if they are never going to be seen in a show-ring themselves.<br />
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And I also think that the normal pet-buyer actually belives that there never will be anything wrong with their puppy. In fact with titles, lots of buyers feel that this is proof of a better puppy... I dont know if it really help…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-12-30:865021:Comment:2754322009-12-30T05:18:48.411ZMargaret Sierakowskihttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/MargaretSierakowski
I dont know if it really helps, but I routinely feed pro-biotic yoghourt to my dogs, just a small amount added to their food every second day, on the basis that even a small amount of healthy bacteria will multiply and keep their stomachs in a healthy state. Just the same as I eat probiotic yoghourt most days.<br />
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Dry dog food is over processed dead food , in the sense that it doesnt contain beneficial live bacteria, although it provides protein and calories<br />
I dont mind using dry dog food as a…
I dont know if it really helps, but I routinely feed pro-biotic yoghourt to my dogs, just a small amount added to their food every second day, on the basis that even a small amount of healthy bacteria will multiply and keep their stomachs in a healthy state. Just the same as I eat probiotic yoghourt most days.<br />
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Dry dog food is over processed dead food , in the sense that it doesnt contain beneficial live bacteria, although it provides protein and calories<br />
I dont mind using dry dog food as a base to provide calories but I really believe that dogs need some fresh raw food as well, for a healthy diet and a healthy stomach<br />
I think a few of the more expensive dog foods now include a probiotic, but a tablespoon of live probiotic yoghourt added to dog food three or four times a week will do just the same<br />
They also need it after being on a course of antibiotics - and vets are much too quick to hand out antibiotics for every ailment nowadays. Has anybody found any connection , with bloat after a dog has been on antibiotics? Yeah, I know, but I have pluc…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-12-29:865021:Comment:2753642009-12-29T22:54:49.640ZCheryl Goreyhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/CherylGorey
Yeah, I know, but I have plucked stuff out of discussions before and saved them in a document, because some of the information I have found very valuable. It is difficult to go through pages and pages to find out the bits you want, but I would do it if we could get to the ones who will need it!!<br />
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Perhaps we could have it as a "mass mail out" and send to everyone around the world who might care!! :-)) Maybe send a full extract of the discussions with my DNA samples and data collection to the…
Yeah, I know, but I have plucked stuff out of discussions before and saved them in a document, because some of the information I have found very valuable. It is difficult to go through pages and pages to find out the bits you want, but I would do it if we could get to the ones who will need it!!<br />
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Perhaps we could have it as a "mass mail out" and send to everyone around the world who might care!! :-)) Maybe send a full extract of the discussions with my DNA samples and data collection to the AHT?<br />
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Something to think about. That is a good idea BUT who t…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-12-29:865021:Comment:2753612009-12-29T22:46:03.782ZDee Rancehttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/DeeRance
That is a good idea BUT who the hell would we send it all to, it seems that the US has got a lot of research going on into this kind of thing, what is there ''down under''????<br />
Really not sure what is being done here in UK. We would really have to find the rite person to do it though, haven't got the foggiest how to go about that...and this would all have to be 'cleaned up' We do all seem to go off on tangents every now and then...I am as guilty as the next person..ha ha
That is a good idea BUT who the hell would we send it all to, it seems that the US has got a lot of research going on into this kind of thing, what is there ''down under''????<br />
Really not sure what is being done here in UK. We would really have to find the rite person to do it though, haven't got the foggiest how to go about that...and this would all have to be 'cleaned up' We do all seem to go off on tangents every now and then...I am as guilty as the next person..ha ha Thanks Dee and I do acknowled…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-12-29:865021:Comment:2753562009-12-29T22:08:25.217ZCheryl Goreyhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/CherylGorey
Thanks Dee and I do acknowledge that you were the one that put us onto the Probiotic and we are very grateful for that. Without this forum, I would never been able to get the information we needed to able to help Riley and his owner improve his health and lessen the worry for them all.<br />
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I totally agree with your comments on the role of scientists and us as breeders.<br />
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What I think is extremely valuable is this discussion - brainstorming if you like with everyone and we should provide as much of…
Thanks Dee and I do acknowledge that you were the one that put us onto the Probiotic and we are very grateful for that. Without this forum, I would never been able to get the information we needed to able to help Riley and his owner improve his health and lessen the worry for them all.<br />
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I totally agree with your comments on the role of scientists and us as breeders.<br />
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What I think is extremely valuable is this discussion - brainstorming if you like with everyone and we should provide as much of this information that we can give the researchers. Surely it would be beneficial for them to have a few key points that we (not me personally), as breeders and owners who have experienced and managed dogs with stomach disorders. It may point them in the right direction and may lessen the avenues that they may need to explore to find the answers.<br />
We should do up a transcript of all the hard work and discussion that these forums on ES have been able to tease out! Sorry to hear about your moth…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-12-29:865021:Comment:2753532009-12-29T21:50:13.984ZDee Rancehttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/DeeRance
Sorry to hear about your mother, I know that it is a very nasty complaint, the ulcer thing just popped into my head, so I asked the question, and this is the only way we are going to get to the bottom of this, questions.<br />
I have been feeding pro-biotics for a while now...Bionic Biotic...problem is its really expensive, but really does seem to work, (it has a very good side effect as well, coat growth, don't know how but there it is).<br />
The scientists are the ones that are going to get to the…
Sorry to hear about your mother, I know that it is a very nasty complaint, the ulcer thing just popped into my head, so I asked the question, and this is the only way we are going to get to the bottom of this, questions.<br />
I have been feeding pro-biotics for a while now...Bionic Biotic...problem is its really expensive, but really does seem to work, (it has a very good side effect as well, coat growth, don't know how but there it is).<br />
The scientists are the ones that are going to get to the bottom of all of this, but we are the ones that are going to be 'picking up the pieces' and puppies should go to their new homes with a list telling the pet puppy owner just what they should be looking for, I hope that I did this OK, because my first Irish Setter eventually died of Bloat, I was very lucky, I was in on a conversation with Janice, Sue and I can't remember who the others were, but I found out about it then, most don't know, the first they find is when you go down to let your precious pet out in the morning and he/she is dead, so sad, but as the article says only something like 15% die now instead of the vast majority dying in the past. I do agree. I know of dogs wh…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-12-29:865021:Comment:2753512009-12-29T21:47:57.908Zeva ciechonskahttp://irishsetters.ning.com/xn/detail/u_0gijg39gsgi1q
I do agree. I know of dogs where increased sensitivity of the digestive system almost certainly is familial.
I do agree. I know of dogs where increased sensitivity of the digestive system almost certainly is familial. Hi there Laura
I read this in…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-12-29:865021:Comment:2753492009-12-29T21:27:42.325ZDee Rancehttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/DeeRance
Hi there Laura<br />
I read this in a couple of the books on the Viszla, I apologise if this is wrong, but again you can only go by what you have read, as I said we have a Viszla in the family and books were read to see which dog was best for a family, the Viszla was the dog that was decided upon...but in the books that were read, all be them written by US and UK authors said that IRS were in the back of the pedigree, and I have talked to people that have the breed and they all seem to have read the…
Hi there Laura<br />
I read this in a couple of the books on the Viszla, I apologise if this is wrong, but again you can only go by what you have read, as I said we have a Viszla in the family and books were read to see which dog was best for a family, the Viszla was the dog that was decided upon...but in the books that were read, all be them written by US and UK authors said that IRS were in the back of the pedigree, and I have talked to people that have the breed and they all seem to have read the same books, but as I have said before we can all learn something every day, this is obviously my day for learning... "But I think even buyers of f…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-12-29:865021:Comment:2753302009-12-29T20:22:17.366ZCheryl Goreyhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/CherylGorey
"But I think even buyers of future "pet-only"-dogs are going to be more impressed with a Champion-father than an unknown (but nice) dog that will add something to the gene-pool."<br />
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I can't agree with this statement as we do sell mostly to the pet market here in Australia. Most pet owners do not understand showing and while they might like to see ribbons, etc... I think it has to do with the way we, as breeders, approach the marketing of our dogs. Do we say "the mother and father are champions"…
"But I think even buyers of future "pet-only"-dogs are going to be more impressed with a Champion-father than an unknown (but nice) dog that will add something to the gene-pool."<br />
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I can't agree with this statement as we do sell mostly to the pet market here in Australia. Most pet owners do not understand showing and while they might like to see ribbons, etc... I think it has to do with the way we, as breeders, approach the marketing of our dogs. Do we say "the mother and father are champions" or do we say "we try to ensure that we use the healthiest dogs available to us and although the father hasn't been shown or made up to a champion, he is a good quality dog and brings good qualities to this litter?