Breeding coefficients - Exclusively Setters2024-03-28T16:13:20Zhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/breeding-coefficients?commentId=865021%3AComment%3A932990&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThankfully not my experience…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-10-31:865021:Comment:10001742012-10-31T12:17:53.102ZGreg Brownehttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/GregBrowne
<p>Thankfully not my experience , the majority of breeders have the welfare of the breed at heart</p>
<p>Thankfully not my experience , the majority of breeders have the welfare of the breed at heart</p> Sad to say that it is experie…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-10-12:865021:Comment:9961762012-10-12T19:22:04.287ZRhonda Fisherhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/RhondaFisher
<p>Sad to say that it is experience not perception.</p>
<p>Sad to say that it is experience not perception.</p> Sorry thats your perception o…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-10-12:865021:Comment:9959332012-10-12T11:37:31.660ZGreg Brownehttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/GregBrowne
<p>Sorry thats your perception of Victorian breeders not one I share</p>
<p>Sorry thats your perception of Victorian breeders not one I share</p> I would not say it is rare to…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-10-03:865021:Comment:9941222012-10-03T07:48:55.674ZRhonda Fisherhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/RhondaFisher
<p>I would not say it is rare to breed from an individual that has bloated in Victoria. I would suggest it is rare to be honest about it even when offering the dog out for stud. Only my experience though. </p>
<p>I would not say it is rare to breed from an individual that has bloated in Victoria. I would suggest it is rare to be honest about it even when offering the dog out for stud. Only my experience though. </p> Mutations Fran are random and…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-10-01:865021:Comment:9936942012-10-01T10:16:42.435ZGreg Brownehttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/GregBrowne
<div><p>Mutations Fran are random and usually occur when genetic material simply ends up in the wrong place various terms used to describe the process during cell division.</p>
<p>The studies of human genetics where in Australia we have had migration from all parts of the world is fascinating.</p>
<p>A recent discovery of a gene in the Aboriginal population known previously only to have occurred in Holland leads to speculation that Dutch navigators may have been shipwrecked on our Western…</p>
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<div><p>Mutations Fran are random and usually occur when genetic material simply ends up in the wrong place various terms used to describe the process during cell division.</p>
<p>The studies of human genetics where in Australia we have had migration from all parts of the world is fascinating.</p>
<p>A recent discovery of a gene in the Aboriginal population known previously only to have occurred in Holland leads to speculation that Dutch navigators may have been shipwrecked on our Western shores and "inter married" with the local population</p>
</div> What also needs to be taken i…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-10-01:865021:Comment:9939682012-10-01T09:36:26.130ZFran Griffinhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/FranGriffin
<p>What also needs to be taken into consideration here is the interplay between genes and environment. Genetic issues don't just happen because the mutation happens to be present. It would appear that you have the mutation + other factors which then activate the mutation. There is a condition running through my family, some members of the family have developed the condition whilst others haven't. It appears that those in the UK have, whilst those in Oz haven't. Interesting. Surely more more…</p>
<p>What also needs to be taken into consideration here is the interplay between genes and environment. Genetic issues don't just happen because the mutation happens to be present. It would appear that you have the mutation + other factors which then activate the mutation. There is a condition running through my family, some members of the family have developed the condition whilst others haven't. It appears that those in the UK have, whilst those in Oz haven't. Interesting. Surely more more inbreeding would act as a means of conduction route for a mutation though?</p> Well said Sue
'If only others…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-10-01:865021:Comment:9937922012-10-01T09:14:34.843ZGreg Brownehttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/GregBrowne
<div><p>Well said Sue</p>
<p>'If only others would understand population genetics cannot be applied to Purebred Populations where selection for generations has created the breed.There is nothing at all random but rather controlled breedings with the intent of maintaining and improving breed characteristics , health and temperament.</p>
<p>A selective process eliminating undesirable traits and reinforcing desirable ones.Same principle as when breeding commercial livestock whether it…</p>
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<div><p>Well said Sue</p>
<p>'If only others would understand population genetics cannot be applied to Purebred Populations where selection for generations has created the breed.There is nothing at all random but rather controlled breedings with the intent of maintaining and improving breed characteristics , health and temperament.</p>
<p>A selective process eliminating undesirable traits and reinforcing desirable ones.Same principle as when breeding commercial livestock whether it be for,fleece milk,egglaying etc. </p>
<p>If for example trying to reduce the incidence of bloat and you continue to breed from dogs with a family loaded with bloat the COI will have no bearing on reducing the incidence.</p>
<p>If you were to inbreed to families with no history of bloat progress would be made. In Australia its is indeed rare to breed from an individual that has bloated as history has shown us that you only carry it forward to subsequent generations.The COI will have no bearing on the incidence but the family history will .Too totally unrelated animals from familes with bloat in their background will produce blaot .</p>
<p>The same principles apply to all health issues.The COI is not the predictor of good health its the genetic makeup of each individual .If a trait isn't carried within the genetic make up inbreeding cannot create it unless there is mutation .</p>
<p>Pedigrees provide us with family history which when expanded to include health issues it then becomes the tool with which we can make informed decisions.</p>
</div> Thanks Rosie, told you I was…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-09-29:865021:Comment:9925562012-09-29T11:09:27.580ZAngela Clarkehttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/AngelaClarke
<p>Thanks Rosie, told you I was thick I filled in 5 generation to get my results.</p>
<p>puppy about average</p>
<p>5 year old twice the average ( always been very healthy)</p>
<p>8 year old half the average ( had multi. health issues since 2.5 years)</p>
<p>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! strange !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>Thanks Rosie, told you I was thick I filled in 5 generation to get my results.</p>
<p>puppy about average</p>
<p>5 year old twice the average ( always been very healthy)</p>
<p>8 year old half the average ( had multi. health issues since 2.5 years)</p>
<p>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! strange !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p> Hello Angela, if you use the…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-09-29:865021:Comment:9927272012-09-29T10:46:20.499ZRosie Dudleyhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/RosieDudley
<p>Hello Angela, if you use the Kennel Club Mate Select site this is your result, <a href="http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/services/public/mateselect/inbreed/Default.aspx?breed=2039">http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/services/public/mateselect/inbreed/Default.aspx?breed=2039</a></p>
<p>Hello Angela, if you use the Kennel Club Mate Select site this is your result, <a href="http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/services/public/mateselect/inbreed/Default.aspx?breed=2039">http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/services/public/mateselect/inbreed/Default.aspx?breed=2039</a></p> Just done this for my new pup…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-09-29:865021:Comment:9926532012-09-29T10:29:02.715ZAngela Clarkehttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/AngelaClarke
<p>Just done this for my new puppy, I am thick and dont understand ????!!!!!!</p>
<p>anyone please ????</p>
<p><big>Coefficient for SUTERESETT REFLECTION</big></p>
<ul>
<li>Inbreeding: 0.013671875 (1.3671875%)</li>
<li>AVK <i>(ancestor loss coefficient)</i>: 87.096774193548%</li>
</ul>
<p>The computation has been done for 5 generations</p>
<p>Just done this for my new puppy, I am thick and dont understand ????!!!!!!</p>
<p>anyone please ????</p>
<p><big>Coefficient for SUTERESETT REFLECTION</big></p>
<ul>
<li>Inbreeding: 0.013671875 (1.3671875%)</li>
<li>AVK <i>(ancestor loss coefficient)</i>: 87.096774193548%</li>
</ul>
<p>The computation has been done for 5 generations</p>