Chondrodysplasia - Exclusively Setters2024-03-29T04:56:52Zhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/chondrodysplasia-1?commentId=865021%3AComment%3A400968&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks, Margaret. But isn't p…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-10-19:865021:Comment:4031702010-10-19T13:42:29.982ZBogacheva Elenahttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/BogachevaElena
Thanks, Margaret. But isn't present. Flott approximately 1955 year of birth, it was earlier. Blood Moanruad have got to Russia through dogs Brumley‛s, Telma ( Charly von Royal X Brumley‛s Mona Liza),<br></br>
Topaz von der Kreuzmühle(Moanrud Nimbus), Dean an der Klosterforte(Moanrud Nimbus) - Germany, Ellis Della Ventana (Moanruad Sea Sand 092497 Х Fiona делла Gardellino) -Italy and one dog from France Rokki.... (I do not remember name) . And certainly my favourite it is red white setters.…
Thanks, Margaret. But isn't present. Flott approximately 1955 year of birth, it was earlier. Blood Moanruad have got to Russia through dogs Brumley‛s, Telma ( Charly von Royal X Brumley‛s Mona Liza),<br/>
Topaz von der Kreuzmühle(Moanrud Nimbus), Dean an der Klosterforte(Moanrud Nimbus) - Germany, Ellis Della Ventana (Moanruad Sea Sand 092497 Х Fiona делла Gardellino) -Italy and one dog from France Rokki.... (I do not remember name) . And certainly my favourite it is red white setters. Therefore I am grateful to you for the information on Moanruad. Isnt Flott a descendant of Ch…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-10-19:865021:Comment:4030942010-10-19T11:53:18.367ZMargaret Sierakowskihttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/MargaretSierakowski
Isnt Flott a descendant of Charly von Royal , who was from Moanruad breeding, and goes back to Moanruad Dan (sire of Moanruad Raff) ? This from memory, so could be wrong?
Isnt Flott a descendant of Charly von Royal , who was from Moanruad breeding, and goes back to Moanruad Dan (sire of Moanruad Raff) ? This from memory, so could be wrong? OMG...poor puppy:(((tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-10-15:865021:Comment:4012432010-10-15T21:01:14.588Zerenihttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/ereni
OMG...poor puppy:(((
OMG...poor puppy:((( On the Russian and Baltic lin…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-10-15:865021:Comment:4010162010-10-15T08:41:27.930ZBogacheva Elenahttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/BogachevaElena
On the Russian and Baltic lines all dogs of the Russian breeding. Only two dogs from Germany have been entered into these genealogical Ulja R 60/51 D and Flott R 54/69 D. There isn't present Moanruad . But we have other dogs which bear blood of dogs from Ireland in our club.
On the Russian and Baltic lines all dogs of the Russian breeding. Only two dogs from Germany have been entered into these genealogical Ulja R 60/51 D and Flott R 54/69 D. There isn't present Moanruad . But we have other dogs which bear blood of dogs from Ireland in our club. You might have to go back to…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-10-15:865021:Comment:4010132010-10-15T08:25:08.443ZMargaret Sierakowskihttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/MargaretSierakowski
You might have to go back to the 1960s to find any shared ancestry with the affected setters in Scandinavia.<br />
As it happens , we have some of the same dogs in IRWS ancestry, but as far as I know , dwarfism has never shown up in IRWS
You might have to go back to the 1960s to find any shared ancestry with the affected setters in Scandinavia.<br />
As it happens , we have some of the same dogs in IRWS ancestry, but as far as I know , dwarfism has never shown up in IRWS I agree, the diagnosis should…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-10-15:865021:Comment:4010122010-10-15T08:14:28.208ZSusan Stonehttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/SwissSusan
I agree, the diagnosis should be confirmed.
I agree, the diagnosis should be confirmed. I found this old post in the…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-10-15:865021:Comment:4010102010-10-15T08:08:54.049ZMargaret Sierakowskihttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/MargaretSierakowski
I found this old post in the archives of the now defunct working-setters list<br />
I know I shouldnt crosspost without permission but this list has been dead for years<br />
There was quite a lot of discussion here around 2001-2<br />
<br />
Hypochondroplastic dwarfism in<br />
The Irish setter<br />
<br />
Two test matings in the Irish setter were performed, and genetic,<br />
clinical, morphometric, radiographic, bone histological and plasma and<br />
urine biochemical features of dwarfism were studied. All offspring were<br />
phenotypically normal…
I found this old post in the archives of the now defunct working-setters list<br />
I know I shouldnt crosspost without permission but this list has been dead for years<br />
There was quite a lot of discussion here around 2001-2<br />
<br />
Hypochondroplastic dwarfism in<br />
The Irish setter<br />
<br />
Two test matings in the Irish setter were performed, and genetic,<br />
clinical, morphometric, radiographic, bone histological and plasma and<br />
urine biochemical features of dwarfism were studied. All offspring were<br />
phenotypically normal at birth and weaning, but at the age of 2-5 to 4<br />
months the longitudinal growth of the spine and leg bones was retarded<br />
in the dwarfs compared with the normal littermates. Most dwarfs<br />
performed well, even in the field. Radiographic and histological<br />
evaluations revealed a hypochondroplasia. A morphometric diagnostic<br />
method for Irish setter dwarfism was developed. A single autosomal<br />
recessive mode of inheritance was verified.<br />
<br />
<br />
INTRODUCTION<br />
<br />
Dwarfism in Irish setters has been previously described by Hanssen<br />
(1992). Such dwarfs were observed in eight litters, 10 females and one<br />
male. Construction of composite pedigree and statistical analyses<br />
indicated that the mode of inheritance was a simple, autosomal recessive<br />
and that the gene was introduced to Norway by a male imported from<br />
Ireland in 1969. According to breeders, the pups seemed normal at birth<br />
and weaning, but started to develop abnormal body proportions from the<br />
age of three months. The limbs and spine became gradually shorter<br />
compared with normal Irish setters. Because the dwarfs appeared in the<br />
line of Irish setters recruiting the best field trial dogs in Norway, it<br />
was expected that additional dwarfs would follow and result in a problem<br />
in Irish setter breeding. Time has shown this to be true; dwarfs have<br />
appeared from many different parents from the same line during the past<br />
four years, and have also been observed in Sweden and Finland.<br />
The breeding council of the Norwegian Irish setter club decided to ban<br />
male dogs, which had bred dwarfs from further breeding. This generated a<br />
discussion among the members of the club, and some breeders declined to<br />
accept the decision. They argued that an objective method to separate<br />
dwarfs from small, normal Irish setters should be developed, and were<br />
not convinced that the mode of inheritance was a simple, autosomal<br />
recessive because many more females than male dwarfs were observed in<br />
the material of Hanssen (1992) and subsequently.<br />
The Norwegian Irish setter club decided therefore on a test breeding<br />
programme. The objective of this study was to provide evidence as to the<br />
mode of inheritance and to improve the diagnosis of Irish setter<br />
dwarfism by searching for useful plasma and urine biochemical parameters<br />
and by describing its morphometric, clinical, radiographic and bone<br />
histological features.<br />
<br />
MATERIALS AND METHODS<br />
<br />
Breeding and rearing<br />
Two test matings were performed. One dwarf female was mated to a normal<br />
phenotype male, which had previously produced dwarfs with a normal<br />
phenotype female (mating A). From this mating a 50/50 distribution of<br />
normal and dwarf offsprings was expected. Another female dwarf was mated<br />
to a male dwarf (mating B). From this mating all offspring were expected<br />
to be dwarfs.<br />
The females were vaccinated against parvovirus and parainfluenzavirus<br />
(Canlan PP1 Langford Laboratories) a few days after mating and kept in<br />
private homes during pregnancy. Female A delivered her pups at home, but<br />
was moved to a state recognized kennel after one week. Female B was<br />
brought to this kennel one week before expected delivery. The mothers<br />
were fed a chicken based commercial dry feed (Lone Star Precise Growth;<br />
Texas Farm Products) comprising 27 per cent protein, 16 per cent fat and<br />
1713 KJ/100 g metabolisable energy). This feed was also offered to the<br />
pups from three weeks of age.<br />
The pups were individually marked at the day of birth; numbers 1 to 13<br />
for pups from mating A, and numbers 14 to 19 for pups from mating B.<br />
The pups were placed in private homes once they reached five months of<br />
age. Perhaps first you need a defi…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-10-15:865021:Comment:4009942010-10-15T07:51:57.463ZMargaret Sierakowskihttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/MargaretSierakowski
Perhaps first you need a definite diagnosis of what is wrong with this puppy<br />
Then start to trace any other affected dogs and build a pedigree to see how they are related<br />
It owuld also help you to get in touch with the people in Sweden/Norway/Finland who were involved with identifying the problem there<br />
<br />
I'm sure I remember that a few years ago there was more information available about the affected Irish Setters in Scandinavia, including names of dog and pedigrees. And there was discussion on…
Perhaps first you need a definite diagnosis of what is wrong with this puppy<br />
Then start to trace any other affected dogs and build a pedigree to see how they are related<br />
It owuld also help you to get in touch with the people in Sweden/Norway/Finland who were involved with identifying the problem there<br />
<br />
I'm sure I remember that a few years ago there was more information available about the affected Irish Setters in Scandinavia, including names of dog and pedigrees. And there was discussion on lists. Curiously most of this information seems to have disappeared<br />
From memory, I seem to recollect that the pedigrees led back to a particular Moanruad dog imported from Ireland, I'm reluctant to put his name on this list in case my memory is faulty Family tree of puppies. Тhe t…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-10-15:865021:Comment:4009922010-10-15T07:51:18.055ZBogacheva Elenahttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/BogachevaElena
Family tree of puppies. Тhe the second knee. It is a hybrid of show breeding and working Russian + Baltic blood (in them there is no kennel Moanruad).<br/>
father of puppies<br/>
(Frinan Newyork Newyork Х Bora Izpod Belsce)<br/>
mother of puppies<br/>
(Тayson 2723 ( Tatsbro<br/>
Dansing Dioskury<br/>
2737 X Atlanta (working Russian blood)) Х Vega (working Russian + Baltic blood))
Family tree of puppies. Тhe the second knee. It is a hybrid of show breeding and working Russian + Baltic blood (in them there is no kennel Moanruad).<br/>
father of puppies<br/>
(Frinan Newyork Newyork Х Bora Izpod Belsce)<br/>
mother of puppies<br/>
(Тayson 2723 ( Tatsbro<br/>
Dansing Dioskury<br/>
2737 X Atlanta (working Russian blood)) Х Vega (working Russian + Baltic blood)) Hi Lena. It would be interest…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-10-15:865021:Comment:4009682010-10-15T07:16:32.029ZSusan Stonehttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/SwissSusan
Hi Lena. It would be interesting to see the pedigree. IF the mode of inheritance is a single autosomal recessive (as suggested for some other breeds) it would mean both parents must be carriers and all the siblings too. It would also mean there almost certainly must have been cases amongst some more distant relatives and people unknowingly bred from carriers. It would be excellent if the pedigree of the pup could be made known.
Hi Lena. It would be interesting to see the pedigree. IF the mode of inheritance is a single autosomal recessive (as suggested for some other breeds) it would mean both parents must be carriers and all the siblings too. It would also mean there almost certainly must have been cases amongst some more distant relatives and people unknowingly bred from carriers. It would be excellent if the pedigree of the pup could be made known.