coat change - help - Exclusively Setters2024-03-28T19:20:38Zhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/coat-change-help?commentId=865021%3AComment%3A1181566&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHi Silvia, I am glad Obi is f…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2018-01-24:865021:Comment:11845072018-01-24T15:08:48.180ZBarbarahttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Barbara441
<p>Hi Silvia, I am glad Obi is fine and you had beautiful Holidays! Happy new Year :-)</p>
<p>Our Vet told me Black Seed Oil "Nigella sativa" (inside and out) helps eg for the coat.</p>
<p>Hi Silvia, I am glad Obi is fine and you had beautiful Holidays! Happy new Year :-)</p>
<p>Our Vet told me Black Seed Oil "Nigella sativa" (inside and out) helps eg for the coat.</p> Hi Cornelia and all others! …tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2018-01-23:865021:Comment:11845062018-01-23T14:46:42.572Zsilviahttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/silviamarco
<p>Hi Cornelia and all others! </p>
<p>sorry for the *LATE* reply, we went away for Xstmas for a long trip in Italy and Switzerland mountains and i am just catching up: )</p>
<p>First, happy new year to everyone!</p>
<p>From our side, the news is that Oberon has been tested for thyroid last dec and the results are: <span><br></br> <br></br> Thyroxine (T4) by RIA 18.9 nmol/l 13-52 <br></br> Free T4 equilibrium dialysis (RIA) 10.6 pmol/l 7 -…</span></p>
<p>Hi Cornelia and all others! </p>
<p>sorry for the *LATE* reply, we went away for Xstmas for a long trip in Italy and Switzerland mountains and i am just catching up: )</p>
<p>First, happy new year to everyone!</p>
<p>From our side, the news is that Oberon has been tested for thyroid last dec and the results are: <span><br/> <br/> Thyroxine (T4) by RIA 18.9 nmol/l 13-52 <br/> Free T4 equilibrium dialysis (RIA) 10.6 pmol/l 7 - 40 <br/> TSH by IRMA 0.09 ng/ml <0.41 <br/> Thyroid antiglobulin antibody 130 % <200 </span></p>
<p><span>we did a full test, although not with hemopet but with a similar lab in cambridge (UK). The bottom line is that all values are normal, but they are not exciting either since all are in the low range. So, if there is anything is very mild or in an initial phase. The suggestion is that we will repeat the test in a couple of months to see if there is evolution. </span></p>
<p><span>Rather then that, Oberon is doing very well with mood etc.(of course he does: the swiss alps where we have been with him were a paradise!!) </span></p>
<p><span>The coat dropping has stopped, but for now I keep going with viacutan or another similar product, called coatex oil. However, I can see that now his hairs are maybe fuller but also they grew very soft and curly on the leg and along the back and neck. So, I start thinking that the dropping was only a first sign, and maybe what is happening is that the new coat will now grow with the fluffy new aspect .. let's see.. I still hope he want change much, but at this point we can only wait and see .</span></p>
<p><span>regarding the t-shirt: looks a great idea!!!! : ) </span></p>
<p><span>all the best<br/></span></p>
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How's Obi doing? D…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2017-12-18:865021:Comment:11837812017-12-18T09:33:16.514ZCorneliahttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Cornelia
<p>Hi Silvia,</p>
<p>How's Obi doing? Did you do some tests? And did his coat improve? Joy is looking quite normal again, except for the fluffy hair on her legs due to castration, but she never had such a long and think coat anyway. I wonder what I should do next spring because of her allergy to gras - the long, dry, seed bearing gras - maybe a thin T-shirt would be best...</p>
<p>Best wishes C & J xxx</p>
<p>Hi Silvia,</p>
<p>How's Obi doing? Did you do some tests? And did his coat improve? Joy is looking quite normal again, except for the fluffy hair on her legs due to castration, but she never had such a long and think coat anyway. I wonder what I should do next spring because of her allergy to gras - the long, dry, seed bearing gras - maybe a thin T-shirt would be best...</p>
<p>Best wishes C & J xxx</p> thanks a lot Cornelia!!! i wi…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2017-11-12:865021:Comment:11812012017-11-12T10:50:45.149Zsilviahttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/silviamarco
<p>thanks a lot Cornelia!!! i will discuss again with the vet and see. I hope they can arrange the test at Dr Dodds, let's see : )</p>
<p>but the tail of Oberon has only a very thin layer, and i wish to avoid to arrive at the `rat tail` situation, so I think we will arrange the test (if not the dr Dodds at least the T4) quite soon, at least for peace of mind..</p>
<p>I hope Joy will continue to do well and the stress with the noise was something temporary !!!!!!! XXX s</p>
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<p>thanks a lot Cornelia!!! i will discuss again with the vet and see. I hope they can arrange the test at Dr Dodds, let's see : )</p>
<p>but the tail of Oberon has only a very thin layer, and i wish to avoid to arrive at the `rat tail` situation, so I think we will arrange the test (if not the dr Dodds at least the T4) quite soon, at least for peace of mind..</p>
<p>I hope Joy will continue to do well and the stress with the noise was something temporary !!!!!!! XXX s</p>
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<p></p> Hi Silvia, I'm glad Obi is s…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2017-11-10:865021:Comment:11813742017-11-10T21:49:58.714ZCorneliahttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Cornelia
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<dd><div class="description" id="desc_865021Comment1181567"><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Hi Silvia, I'm glad Obi is so much better - that's really good news, you got from your vet! I'm ever so happy for you :-)). The homepage of Jean Dodds is <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.hemopet.org" target="_blank">hemopet.org</a>. Make sure that you follow the shipping instructions to the last detail - you find the international shipping instruction under FORMS - SHIPPING INSTRUCTION. Scroll down also and click on the blue link 'HERE' for the certification letter: <a rel="nofollow" href="https://my.imatrixbase.com/clients/14145/documents/Hemolife_Literature/International_Shipping_Instructions_2013_(1).pdf" target="_blank">https://my.imatrixbase.com/clients/14145/documents/Hemolife_Literat...</a> and don't forget to add <span>”CANINE (or FELINE) SERUM, NON-INFECTIOUS, FOR DIAGNOSTIC PURPOSES ONLY” on the outside of the package. It's usually best to have everything ready and then take the blood sample on a Monday morning and have it shipped the same day, so that it does not stay at the customs office over the weekend - or on any public holiday.</span></p>
<p><span>Joy has black spots all over her belly and her private areas. I think it's only because she's getting older. I have no worry about that. As far as I remember, a thyroid dog has very itchy skin and bald spots. A very good read (maybe even before you do some tests) is J. Dodds book about the thyroid epidemic, found here: <a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/Canine-Thyroid-Epidemic-Answers-Need/dp/1617810169/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1510344316&sr=8-2&keywords=Jean+Dodds" target="_blank">https://www.amazon.co.uk/Canine-Thyroid-Epidemic-Answers-Need/dp/16...</a> There are photos in it and case studies. Also very recommendable btw. is her other book about canine nutrigenomics, to be found on amazon as well. </span></p>
<p><span>I will get Joy tested, early next spring, but just the standard T4 at our local clinic in addition to the test for the phenobarbital level. She showed signs of stress last summer with loud noises and I just want to make sure, she is on the right amount of medication and hopefully rule out another epileptic fit. Concerning the growth of her hair: I read on the internet, that it can take about a year for doggy hair to grow back - and in my </span>experience now, this seems to be correct. It really takes time!! Hopefully Obi's loss of coat has stopped now and the wheel is turned in the other direction. Best wishes to all of you, C & J xxx</p>
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<p>ps: dont take me wrong,, is not the initial 150£ cost that makes me thinking, but is the fact that, in absence of other symptoms, if the result is borderline our vet will suggest another test in few months times and then again... all at the same cost. so, i was wondering that is better to face the initial expense and go for the full thyroid test directly as suggested by others in this group with j dodds... i am trying to see if this is a feasible option from here.</p>
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<p>thanks Eva…</p>
<p>ps: dont take me wrong,, is not the initial 150£ cost that makes me thinking, but is the fact that, in absence of other symptoms, if the result is borderline our vet will suggest another test in few months times and then again... all at the same cost. so, i was wondering that is better to face the initial expense and go for the full thyroid test directly as suggested by others in this group with j dodds... i am trying to see if this is a feasible option from here.</p>
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<p>thanks Eva for the suggestion of viacutan: so far so good : ))</p> HI Eva ! I was in the process…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2017-11-09:865021:Comment:11813712017-11-09T21:17:24.540Zsilviahttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/silviamarco
<p>HI Eva ! I was in the process of writing : )</p>
<p>We are using viacutan since 3 weeks now, and, although I cant say if its helping yet , i certainly notice a less shredding and no more bounches of coat around the house. Still, although the shredding stopped. everyone notice that the Oberon chest and tail is half size of what it used to be a couple of months ago..</p>
<p>We went yesterday to the vet for the final US, 4 months after castration. The good news is that the prostate is down to…</p>
<p>HI Eva ! I was in the process of writing : )</p>
<p>We are using viacutan since 3 weeks now, and, although I cant say if its helping yet , i certainly notice a less shredding and no more bounches of coat around the house. Still, although the shredding stopped. everyone notice that the Oberon chest and tail is half size of what it used to be a couple of months ago..</p>
<p>We went yesterday to the vet for the final US, 4 months after castration. The good news is that the prostate is down to 2.5cm (it was 4cm at the last US after castration, and 8cm before castration when all bleeding symptoms appeared!) and no more cystis inside, so this is wonderful. I discussed with them possible causes of hair thinning and the vet really suggested to keep going with viacutan (they think is brilliant, although they also said that we need to give more product that what is written in the label to make a real difference, so I ordered two other tubes today). As alternative, they also suggested efavet which is in pills (sounds equally good but so far i stick with viacutan)</p>
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<p>or, apparently there is also a special diet that we may want to consider and is meant to provide all supplements for the skin . But i cant remember the name: since I am happy with Oberon in raw food I would prefer to stick on his current raw diet and add the oil supplement for the time being</p>
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<p>we also discussed thyroid and I am considering to have him blood tested. However our vet only do the standard T4 test, so I am now digging ES because i think that, if we invest 150quid on that, it may be much better to go for the Jean Dodds test, as suggeted in this forum by many (Cornelia, or others, do you remember the contact details and how we can arrange this test in case?)</p>
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<p>if is thyroid, is very very mild since I cant see other symptoms as letargy etc.. still, and in particular if is mild, it may be worth to go for the full profile directly. On the other hand, I notice on his belly same strange black spots on the skin that also the vet cant explain. they are a bit like small moles, near the `private areas` of his willy, where he has been operated, I read that thyroid can give some black spots, so.. worth to check?</p>
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<p>thanks for checking!!!!! comments are welcome </p>
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<p></p> Any coat news? Do you see any…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2017-11-09:865021:Comment:11814712017-11-09T20:48:17.676ZEvahttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Eva815
Any coat news? Do you see any improvement with viacutan?
Any coat news? Do you see any improvement with viacutan? Hi Silvia, I am also still he…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2017-10-23:865021:Comment:11810802017-10-23T08:07:57.052ZBarbarahttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Barbara441
<p>Hi Silvia, I am also still here on the web site and followed your question but I am sorry that I can not help. I have not heard that castration and losing hair relates. I only know that eg allergys and cushing can cause losing hair. I will try Viacutan also because Tiny loos hair from time to time because of allergy - thank you! Take care! B+T</p>
<p>Hi Silvia, I am also still here on the web site and followed your question but I am sorry that I can not help. I have not heard that castration and losing hair relates. I only know that eg allergys and cushing can cause losing hair. I will try Viacutan also because Tiny loos hair from time to time because of allergy - thank you! Take care! B+T</p> thanks Cornelia ! yes, now i…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2017-10-21:865021:Comment:11810742017-10-21T21:21:50.036Zsilviahttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/silviamarco
<p>thanks Cornelia ! yes, now i remember that Joy had similar hair loss after the operation. I have not realized the connection immediately since at that time you/we were more worrying about mites and, gosh, Cushing (thanks God it wasnt!) but now you made me thinking and i will check oberon's skin. it looks to me is just the coat, but thanks for the hand rising!</p>
<p>Glad that Joy is back in shape and her mood is as mad as we want it : ) a nice soft belly to cuddle is what we want : it made…</p>
<p>thanks Cornelia ! yes, now i remember that Joy had similar hair loss after the operation. I have not realized the connection immediately since at that time you/we were more worrying about mites and, gosh, Cushing (thanks God it wasnt!) but now you made me thinking and i will check oberon's skin. it looks to me is just the coat, but thanks for the hand rising!</p>
<p>Glad that Joy is back in shape and her mood is as mad as we want it : ) a nice soft belly to cuddle is what we want : it made me laugh the definition of a puppy belly with a grey face, i think Obi will go that way at some point and we'll definitely love him!</p>
<p>but i am looking forward to see if viacutan will help a bit: thanks to Eva , i have read wonderful review on the product!</p>
<p>thanks everyone !!!</p>