Crufts - Exclusively Setters2024-03-28T21:28:15Zhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/crufts-1?x=1&id=865021%3ATopic%3A904532&feed=yes&xn_auth=noApology accepted Sara. I don…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-12:865021:Comment:9071882012-03-12T21:28:57.147Zeva ciechonskahttp://irishsetters.ning.com/xn/detail/u_0gijg39gsgi1q
<p>Apology accepted Sara. I don't want us all to be forever arguing, it is exhausting. I don't honestly believe that anyone would want to trawl through 7 pages of any thread....how sad would that be. Complaining is very counter-productive. Maybe we just take things too personally sometimes.</p>
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<p>Apology accepted Sara. I don't want us all to be forever arguing, it is exhausting. I don't honestly believe that anyone would want to trawl through 7 pages of any thread....how sad would that be. Complaining is very counter-productive. Maybe we just take things too personally sometimes.</p>
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<p> </p> Sara if you are responding to…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-12:865021:Comment:9069912012-03-12T19:21:23.845Zeva ciechonskahttp://irishsetters.ning.com/xn/detail/u_0gijg39gsgi1q
<p>Sara if you are responding to my comment then perhaps you would like to re-read the 2nd para of my posting on Saturday (page 5 I believe) where I say much the same reference breeds that failed the vet check.. Do you not think it is heartening that only 6 breeds out of the 15 didn't get through. Of course you can argue that it is 6 too many but it could have been all 15. Is that not a positive result?</p>
<p>Please tell me where in my comment above have I said that Astrid, or anyone else…</p>
<p>Sara if you are responding to my comment then perhaps you would like to re-read the 2nd para of my posting on Saturday (page 5 I believe) where I say much the same reference breeds that failed the vet check.. Do you not think it is heartening that only 6 breeds out of the 15 didn't get through. Of course you can argue that it is 6 too many but it could have been all 15. Is that not a positive result?</p>
<p>Please tell me where in my comment above have I said that Astrid, or anyone else for that matter, is not entitled to mention other breeds or pass an opinion? What the hell have I said this time that you should criticize me for. It seems that I am the one who is not entitled to pass an opinion without you or Rhonda jumping down my throat all the time. No one has suggested that Astrid shouldn't post the links but maybe starting up a new thread would have prompted a better debate. Would that not have been preferable?</p>
<p>I don't think anyone is hiding under their duvet and pretending everything is fine. We are, in the main, a proactive breed.....the massive response to the DNA testing for rcd-4 bears testemony to that. Surely it is far better to approach each obstacle face on rather than roll over and die at the slightest hitch. I have had my fair share of disappointments over the years. I have had epilepsy and bloat in the past. I have had to start again with new dogs and new lines. You make your own luck in this world and I for one would rather have dreams than nightmares.</p>
<p>I also agree with Ann. It was very satisfying to watch the gundogs though my preference would have been the Irish Setter, but then I am biased. </p> I agree that some of the 'dog…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-12:865021:Comment:9069692012-03-12T16:07:38.654ZAnn Millingtonhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Vollut
<p>I agree that some of the 'dog world' has gone into hysteria about the vet disqualifications - I see there is a meeting being called very soon by 'shocked' and 'disgruntled' people to put the KC right on various measures.</p>
<p>Oh dear - we all should be pulling together to rid dogs of bad breeding practices that result in miserable, painfilled lives....</p>
<p>I rather think the vet checks for high profile breeds at Crufts is more to prod judges to check the dogs' health/welfare and not to…</p>
<p>I agree that some of the 'dog world' has gone into hysteria about the vet disqualifications - I see there is a meeting being called very soon by 'shocked' and 'disgruntled' people to put the KC right on various measures.</p>
<p>Oh dear - we all should be pulling together to rid dogs of bad breeding practices that result in miserable, painfilled lives....</p>
<p>I rather think the vet checks for high profile breeds at Crufts is more to prod judges to check the dogs' health/welfare and not to interpret breed standards to the extremes - as let's face it, it happens.</p>
<p>There should/must be a way of eliminating seriously compromised dogs from being shown and being bred from - I don't think vet checks at the NEC door is practical - 23,000+ dogs????? How about at the 'qualified for Crufts' stage? A vet check before you send your entry? But then, is it just one opinion against another?.... and wriggle-room for the most determined exhibitor?</p>
<p>Looking at the Gundog Group on TV we - my Aussie guests and I - really admired the dogs - normal dog-shaped and sized dogs, all looking fit. (A pity for the Clumber, but I am not attracted at all to dogs with droopy eyes..... )</p>
<p>I stuck up for, in order of preference, the IRWS, Irish Setter, Pointer, Gordon Setter.... h'mmm I wonder why? ;o]))))</p>
<p>Pretty good day all round though!!</p>
<p>PS Crufts at Olympia and Earls Court were OK - rather squashed (my puppy got bitten) but the PARKING!!!! - non-existant!</p>
<p> </p> Margaret your reply gives us…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-12:865021:Comment:9066872012-03-12T12:07:18.209ZRhonda Fisherhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/RhondaFisher
<p>Margaret your reply gives us non breeders faith. To know that you stand by your dogs health and soundness in an open, matter of fact way publically is just what many are looking for. I am sure the KC will fine tune the process as it was the first time. But comments like yours will give confidence to setter lovers and the public alike. More importantly to some one who has had the misery of watching their unsound pedigree dog go through a nightmare of a journey day after day. These are dog…</p>
<p>Margaret your reply gives us non breeders faith. To know that you stand by your dogs health and soundness in an open, matter of fact way publically is just what many are looking for. I am sure the KC will fine tune the process as it was the first time. But comments like yours will give confidence to setter lovers and the public alike. More importantly to some one who has had the misery of watching their unsound pedigree dog go through a nightmare of a journey day after day. These are dog people, we should be aware of their pain through this time.</p> Amen to that Margaret.tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-12:865021:Comment:9066862012-03-12T11:47:38.477Zeva ciechonskahttp://irishsetters.ning.com/xn/detail/u_0gijg39gsgi1q
Amen to that Margaret.
Amen to that Margaret. I don't disagree however as t…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-12:865021:Comment:9066822012-03-12T11:24:06.474ZLois McCulloughhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/LoisMcCullough
<p>I don't disagree however as this was a discussion to wish 'all Crufts goers a fantastic time... why did the thread change so dramatically, it should have been as stated 'a fantastic time'</p>
<p>Please start another discussion where controversy/opinions can be aired. I'm not involved in the breeding or showing of dogs but I do enjoy the ES site for the fun and knowledge it brings, however I am not interested in fighting 'wars' of which I have no knowledge there are enough of those going on…</p>
<p>I don't disagree however as this was a discussion to wish 'all Crufts goers a fantastic time... why did the thread change so dramatically, it should have been as stated 'a fantastic time'</p>
<p>Please start another discussion where controversy/opinions can be aired. I'm not involved in the breeding or showing of dogs but I do enjoy the ES site for the fun and knowledge it brings, however I am not interested in fighting 'wars' of which I have no knowledge there are enough of those going on around the world.</p>
<p>KISS 'keep it simple sam'</p> There is far too much hysteri…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-12:865021:Comment:9065762012-03-12T10:11:33.487ZMargaret Sierakowskihttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/MargaretSierakowski
<p>There is far too much hysteria going on about the disqualified dogs - one of the problems of the internet is how this kind of hysteria can suddenly emerge and spread like wildfire with people jumping on the bandwaggon without stopping to think. Maybe the KC hadnt got it worked out properly, but the principle of vet checks is right and hopefully here to stay. Just get used to the idea, and focus on whats good for the dogs, not whats good for exhibitors in denial about the health and…</p>
<p>There is far too much hysteria going on about the disqualified dogs - one of the problems of the internet is how this kind of hysteria can suddenly emerge and spread like wildfire with people jumping on the bandwaggon without stopping to think. Maybe the KC hadnt got it worked out properly, but the principle of vet checks is right and hopefully here to stay. Just get used to the idea, and focus on whats good for the dogs, not whats good for exhibitors in denial about the health and soundness problems in their dogs. And when an exhibitor says something like "My dog is a champion in thirteen countries , therefore it cannot be unhealthy" .............. no comment.</p>
<p>Good breeders who only put sound and healthy dogs in the show ring have nothing to fear? So why all the fuss?</p> Margaret, a wonderful day for…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-12:865021:Comment:9066672012-03-12T08:46:10.440Zeva ciechonskahttp://irishsetters.ning.com/xn/detail/u_0gijg39gsgi1q
Margaret, a wonderful day for you and very many congratulations. We were all given the pep talk prior to judging and were told what to watch out for. I was, probably, over careful about entropion and lameness and I appreciate that was a good thing. I was also glad to say that I found nothing that would have concerned me. Of course there were some that moved close behind, all that was inevitable. Dogs are vet checked on the continent before they enter the show ground and years ago they were vet…
Margaret, a wonderful day for you and very many congratulations. We were all given the pep talk prior to judging and were told what to watch out for. I was, probably, over careful about entropion and lameness and I appreciate that was a good thing. I was also glad to say that I found nothing that would have concerned me. Of course there were some that moved close behind, all that was inevitable. Dogs are vet checked on the continent before they enter the show ground and years ago they were vet checked here. Probably entries just got too big logistically and the checks were dropped. Maybe Crufts should set an example and start the trend again. I, like you and probably most IS exhibitors, would not be phased by it. Congratulations Margaret! And…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-12:865021:Comment:9066652012-03-12T08:41:53.793ZCarmel Murphyhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Clannrua
<p>Congratulations Margaret! And agree that all dogs should be checked!! Pity the disqualified dogs hadnt been spotted by the judges, before getting their BOB's</p>
<p>Congratulations Margaret! And agree that all dogs should be checked!! Pity the disqualified dogs hadnt been spotted by the judges, before getting their BOB's</p> Thank you. I had a great day…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-12:865021:Comment:9064862012-03-12T08:17:17.174ZMargaret Sierakowskihttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/MargaretSierakowski
<p>Thank you. I had a great day at Crufts, with Sandy (Tullamore Troubador) getting the dog CC handled by Danielle, Archie's daughter Brook (Balakinnish Mistinguette) getting the bitch CC and BOB , Sandy's son (Balakinnish Malachi) getting BPIB, his daughter winning Puppy bitch, Archie's son Coilean winning working dog, and Neige handled by Colin Organ) winning FT bitch. And Dalriach Rob Roy was 2nd in Postgrad. </p>
<p>Sad to see all the controversy over the disqualifications. I would be…</p>
<p>Thank you. I had a great day at Crufts, with Sandy (Tullamore Troubador) getting the dog CC handled by Danielle, Archie's daughter Brook (Balakinnish Mistinguette) getting the bitch CC and BOB , Sandy's son (Balakinnish Malachi) getting BPIB, his daughter winning Puppy bitch, Archie's son Coilean winning working dog, and Neige handled by Colin Organ) winning FT bitch. And Dalriach Rob Roy was 2nd in Postgrad. </p>
<p>Sad to see all the controversy over the disqualifications. I would be glad to see ALL breeds having veterinary checks, but at an earlier stage . To get a dog through to BOB at Crufts, then have it taken away, is devastating. And with only 15 breeds being vet checked, every disqualified dog is headline news</p>
<p>If the IRWS ticket winners and BP had been vet checked, I am quite sure the vet would have found absolutely nothing wrong with any of them, five very sound and healthy dogs . I have no problem with any of my dogs being vet checked at any show, and look forward to the time when it becomes standard practice for ALL dogs at ALL Ch shows</p>