Last call... Irish Setter Health - Online Survey closes Sept 30 2011 - Exclusively Setters2024-03-28T15:35:23Zhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/irish-setter-health-survey?commentId=865021%3AComment%3A673172&feed=yes&xn_auth=noLOL Susan - I wasn't offended…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-07-12:865021:Comment:6727842011-07-12T09:39:18.525ZPat Aldridgehttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/PatAldridge
<p>LOL Susan - I wasn't offended at all! No need to apologise.</p>
<p>I know that it may be hard to accept - & after reading of all the trials & tribulations on this Forum I'm not really surprised - but honestly my dogs are very healthy. My vets have always said that if they relied on my lot for their bread & butter, they would starve! </p>
<p>Can truly say that my biggest vet expenses are having frozen semen AIs, followed by my English Setter bitch having complications following…</p>
<p>LOL Susan - I wasn't offended at all! No need to apologise.</p>
<p>I know that it may be hard to accept - & after reading of all the trials & tribulations on this Forum I'm not really surprised - but honestly my dogs are very healthy. My vets have always said that if they relied on my lot for their bread & butter, they would starve! </p>
<p>Can truly say that my biggest vet expenses are having frozen semen AIs, followed by my English Setter bitch having complications following whelping, due to a large intact rabbit leg being jammed in her stomach - found during the subsequent speying. The infection didn't stop her carrying & whelping 8 full term puppies but it did mean she had to be speyed - the bill was HORRENDOUS!!</p> Hi Pat,
I had no intention o…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-07-12:865021:Comment:6732712011-07-12T09:22:02.003ZSusan Stonehttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/SwissSusan
<p>Hi Pat, </p>
<p>I had no intention of offending you and apologize if it came across that way.</p>
<p>All I can say is that we have not all been as fortunate.</p>
<p>Hi Pat, </p>
<p>I had no intention of offending you and apologize if it came across that way.</p>
<p>All I can say is that we have not all been as fortunate.</p> Susan, it is NOT an "impressi…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-07-12:865021:Comment:6731722011-07-12T09:04:52.741ZPat Aldridgehttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/PatAldridge
<p>Susan, it is NOT an "impression" of my dogs' health - it is fact. Since 1970 when I started in Irish:</p>
<p>Bloat (no dilation) in 1973 in male 6 month old puppy (ate too many plums on the ground LOL!)</p>
<p>GDV in 11 year old bitch & 13 year old bitch - neither bred by me</p>
<p>Entropion 2 cases - 1 in 1973 & 1 in 1976 - none since in any litter</p>
<p>1 bitch died after a c-section due to a toxic allergic reaction to the halothane anaesthetic used at that time</p>
<p>Her…</p>
<p>Susan, it is NOT an "impression" of my dogs' health - it is fact. Since 1970 when I started in Irish:</p>
<p>Bloat (no dilation) in 1973 in male 6 month old puppy (ate too many plums on the ground LOL!)</p>
<p>GDV in 11 year old bitch & 13 year old bitch - neither bred by me</p>
<p>Entropion 2 cases - 1 in 1973 & 1 in 1976 - none since in any litter</p>
<p>1 bitch died after a c-section due to a toxic allergic reaction to the halothane anaesthetic used at that time</p>
<p>Her handreared puppy was PTS at 4 months after progressive paralysis - no diagnosis despite countless tests</p>
<p>I vaccinate every 3 years once the dog is 2 years old.</p>
<p>I do NOT use any form of flea control as we don't have fleas/ticks whatever where we are.</p>
<p>I feed a diet predominantly raw beef/mutton/goat/chicken, plus what rabbits the dogs catch themselves, plus a little dry SOAKED dry food (NOT made in USA), plus raw eggs, lamb rearing milk powder, & yoghurt</p>
<p>The dogs have as much free exercise they want in over an acre.</p>
<p>All Irish either DNA tested or clear by descent CLAD & PRA rcd-1</p>
<p>Over the years I have used a stud dog who died eventually of bloat, bred from a litter sister of a bloat fatality, & apart from the 1973 puppy (who wasn't a classic GDV case) have never had a dog bred by me get bloat/GDV</p>
<p>No skin problems, no MO, no epilepsy, no Cushings/Addisons</p>
<p>Don't know how else to show you I DO have healthy dogs - & I would think Myra has pretty much the same sort of regime in her kennels.</p>
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<p> </p> In my experience human nature…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-07-12:865021:Comment:6732652011-07-12T08:20:47.661ZSusan Stonehttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/SwissSusan
<p>In my experience human nature is such that we tend to adapt and accept and then forget problems we may have experienced. We tend to become less aware. For example I have to watch out what I feed my bitch as she has a senstitive digestion. I adapt her food and we continue through life with not a worry... But is this right and hsould I consider this healthy?</p>
<p>Please do not get me wrong, Myra and Pat, I am not doubting the impression you have of your dogs. What I am trying to say is that…</p>
<p>In my experience human nature is such that we tend to adapt and accept and then forget problems we may have experienced. We tend to become less aware. For example I have to watch out what I feed my bitch as she has a senstitive digestion. I adapt her food and we continue through life with not a worry... But is this right and hsould I consider this healthy?</p>
<p>Please do not get me wrong, Myra and Pat, I am not doubting the impression you have of your dogs. What I am trying to say is that <strong>unless </strong>breeders keep detailed written notes on every dog they breed over the 20+ years they have been in the breed then it will be impossible to say all were healthy. Our general impression of our own dogs only counts as 'anecdotal evidence' and what kind of evidence is that when it comes down to hard fact?</p>
<p>If on the other hand we have detailed reports on every dog we bred and keep in touch with puppy buyers, keep note of health issues, cause of death, special diet requirements, skin disorders, etc etc only then can we say we have a profound knowledge of the dogs we bred.</p>
<p>We can not expect 100% healthy dogs, that would be against nature. But we do need to be aware and stop and think at times. I think that is what this survey is all about. Assess the state of the breed, consider what is acceptable and decide what issues need adressing in future.</p>
<p> </p> I am with Pat, overall, all o…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-07-12:865021:Comment:6726102011-07-12T05:21:44.688ZMyra Thomas-Rhodeshttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/aniara
I am with Pat, overall, all of my dogs have been fit and healthy,in the forty years I have been in the breed. Having 22 constantly, for all that length of time,and breeding from time to time, indicates the lines must have been good,and mine are similarly bred to Pat's.
I am with Pat, overall, all of my dogs have been fit and healthy,in the forty years I have been in the breed. Having 22 constantly, for all that length of time,and breeding from time to time, indicates the lines must have been good,and mine are similarly bred to Pat's. A bit off topic, but good new…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-07-05:865021:Comment:6622962011-07-05T19:31:43.632ZSusan Stonehttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/SwissSusan
<p>A bit off topic, but good news for me: today I had three of my dogs at the vets for eye testing: Coppersheen Bramble 11+ yrs, Northern Light vh Adelaarsvaren 8+ yrs and Coppersheen Coalville Lad 5+ yrs are all clinically unaffected by LOPRA.</p>
<p>A bit off topic, but good news for me: today I had three of my dogs at the vets for eye testing: Coppersheen Bramble 11+ yrs, Northern Light vh Adelaarsvaren 8+ yrs and Coppersheen Coalville Lad 5+ yrs are all clinically unaffected by LOPRA.</p> Sorry Henk - your comment mea…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-07-05:865021:Comment:6611752011-07-05T01:58:08.083ZPat Aldridgehttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/PatAldridge
Sorry Henk - your comment means???
Sorry Henk - your comment means??? Nearly all of the setters tha…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-07-04:865021:Comment:6606212011-07-04T20:00:08.175ZHoward Glansfieldhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/HowardGlansfield
Nearly all of the setters that I have had had a serious health problem from a Porta Caval shunt to Cushings.My vet advised me not to have anorther setter and what have I got? Three setters!
Nearly all of the setters that I have had had a serious health problem from a Porta Caval shunt to Cushings.My vet advised me not to have anorther setter and what have I got? Three setters! Fortune fantasies:-)tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-07-04:865021:Comment:6608202011-07-04T19:31:05.326ZHenk ten Kloosterhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Setterset
Fortune fantasies:-)
Fortune fantasies:-) You are a very fortunate lady…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-07-04:865021:Comment:6605322011-07-04T18:51:27.271ZSusan Stonehttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/SwissSusan
<p>You are a very fortunate lady, Pat!</p>
<p>You are a very fortunate lady, Pat!</p>