paddy - Exclusively Setters2024-03-28T09:52:02Zhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/paddy?commentId=865021%3AComment%3A1171275&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIt's a bit like pawing him do…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2017-01-04:865021:Comment:11715732017-01-04T10:06:34.755ZJames Doranhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/JAMESDORAN
<p>It's a bit like pawing him down with my hands, Lilian, lol (perhaps jumping was the wrong expression). You know, like giving him a taste of his own behaviour to see how he likes it! And do you know what? He doesn't! And it is working! Rory is my first pup, and he can be wilful and headstrong if allowed (which he is not!). We were ruined by my beloved Romeo, who came to us at five years of age, fully trained and exceptionally behaved. This, I now realise, was only because of the amount of…</p>
<p>It's a bit like pawing him down with my hands, Lilian, lol (perhaps jumping was the wrong expression). You know, like giving him a taste of his own behaviour to see how he likes it! And do you know what? He doesn't! And it is working! Rory is my first pup, and he can be wilful and headstrong if allowed (which he is not!). We were ruined by my beloved Romeo, who came to us at five years of age, fully trained and exceptionally behaved. This, I now realise, was only because of the amount of work put in by Tony & Rachel (who gave him to us) in his puppyhood. Rachel told me that they require a lot of work, training and conditioning to get them to that stage, and boy do I now understand! However, I am definitely not allowing bad behaviour, and rewarding good behaviour. It can be exasperating at times, but without putting in the work now, they would just carry on doing what they want, rather than what you want! Here's hoping I survive it! lol.</p> He's got your number big time…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2017-01-03:865021:Comment:11718692017-01-03T18:27:55.726ZSherry Millerhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/SherryMiller
<p>He's got your number big time! I'm going to suggest obedience classes..and lots of mini training sessions during the day. I just did a few minutes here and there (with favored treat they only got at that time)and soon had them sitting on their own hoping that counted as training! I used teeny,tiny treats that a purse puppy would get and they were crazy about them. </p>
<p> Do you have children in the house? Our wildest Irish were the ones we had while our girls were growing up! Thing is…</p>
<p>He's got your number big time! I'm going to suggest obedience classes..and lots of mini training sessions during the day. I just did a few minutes here and there (with favored treat they only got at that time)and soon had them sitting on their own hoping that counted as training! I used teeny,tiny treats that a purse puppy would get and they were crazy about them. </p>
<p> Do you have children in the house? Our wildest Irish were the ones we had while our girls were growing up! Thing is Irish Setters are smart and you have to stay ahead of them. Lots of playing (stop if they start jumping up or mouthing you),walks with training sessions thrown into middle of them. We still have to reward the "up pup" command when we want to sit on a particular chair here (she slips in when your ready to sit but it's cause she craves that purse puppy treat (size of a baby fingernail). We didn't crate except our last two..others had their own room when we were gone. Molly (10 month old rescue) we got a crate and only used when gone but within a month started testing her for small amounts of time and found worse thing she did while we were gone was to stretch out on our bed cuddled in our pillows! So crate truly wasn't needed for her and gone within two months. Seemed to me our Irish liked an audience for their naughtiness as it usually happened when we were home.</p>
<p>I had a good laugh at your method of tempting Paddy to eat! I know we worry when they get finicky about eating but I haven't had one starve themselves yet. My husband worries about it but I just figure they aren't hungry yet....sometimes a small treat offered for a handshake will have them heading to their food bowl (like a wake up for their tummy). I've handfed only after illness here or a messy treat they love (to keep out of their fur). I truly laughed out loud at you meowing like a cat to try to get him to eat. Molly does like me to sit in the kitchen while she eats as she doesn't want to miss anything going on. I'm thinking you better not teach Paddy to speak or you'll never get a moment's peace! Molly retrieved our morning paper for us and fetches the mail....No reward no paper or mail is her rule! I'll admit she is spoiled rotten but one of our best behaved Irish. (Our first female and rescue). Always had male puppies before and those teenage years with them were wild....reason if you aren't training so many give up and rehome the dog! Once you get thru them you'll find all the wildness settles into a family member who will delight you with laughter, joy and love like you've never known before..and then you're hooked! I truly looked at other pups after losing our old Gentleman Irish but while they were cute they just didn't grab my heart as an Irish Setter stole it way back in 73 and they are very addictive. Good luck with Paddy.</p>
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<p></p> Hi James , can't stop laughin…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2017-01-03:865021:Comment:11718682017-01-03T15:31:58.707Zlilian leightonhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/lilianleighton
<p>Hi James , can't stop laughing at the part of the conversation jumping on your dog perhaps i might try that, only he'd end up like a cardboard cutout ,i would never say to any of my friends!!Oh get a red setter the are really nice dogs !! only to people i don't like lol lizzi</p>
<p>Hi James , can't stop laughing at the part of the conversation jumping on your dog perhaps i might try that, only he'd end up like a cardboard cutout ,i would never say to any of my friends!!Oh get a red setter the are really nice dogs !! only to people i don't like lol lizzi</p> That's right. If he hurts or…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2017-01-03:865021:Comment:11716742017-01-03T15:01:55.378ZJames Doranhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/JAMESDORAN
<p>That's right. If he hurts or nips, he gets nipped back with a firm NO! And if he jumps up, he gets put down, as it were, with a firm NO! And as for the video, well, some things are best kept to oneself, as someone incognito like yourself will understand!</p>
<p>That's right. If he hurts or nips, he gets nipped back with a firm NO! And if he jumps up, he gets put down, as it were, with a firm NO! And as for the video, well, some things are best kept to oneself, as someone incognito like yourself will understand!</p> lol, you nip him?! Ha ha ha h…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2017-01-03:865021:Comment:11715702017-01-03T14:11:52.007Zhuman friendhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/humanfriend
lol, you nip him?! Ha ha ha ha!!! And jump on him?!<br />
I'd love to see a video of your technique :D
lol, you nip him?! Ha ha ha ha!!! And jump on him?!<br />
I'd love to see a video of your technique :D I like it!!!!! We are all daf…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2017-01-03:865021:Comment:11717722017-01-03T13:57:44.281ZHoward Glansfieldhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/HowardGlansfield
<p>I like it!!!!! We are all daft over our red friends.Some,mainly you and me, more than others!</p>
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<p>I like it!!!!! We are all daft over our red friends.Some,mainly you and me, more than others!</p>
<p></p> Hi sherry ,thanks for your ad…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2017-01-03:865021:Comment:11717692017-01-03T09:45:24.589Zlilian leightonhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/lilianleighton
<p>Hi sherry ,thanks for your advice i have not got a crate yet somehow don' fancy that... besides i would have a job getting him in it he would wrap his legs around us so we can't even put him outside when he's naughty, he's always pinching things. I never realised how naughty and manipulating these dogs are, i have had big bold German Shepherds but Paddy I never known anything like him, but i do admire him and love him.....ps and we can't even sit on our settee cause he's on it…</p>
<p>Hi sherry ,thanks for your advice i have not got a crate yet somehow don' fancy that... besides i would have a job getting him in it he would wrap his legs around us so we can't even put him outside when he's naughty, he's always pinching things. I never realised how naughty and manipulating these dogs are, i have had big bold German Shepherds but Paddy I never known anything like him, but i do admire him and love him.....ps and we can't even sit on our settee cause he's on it lol</p>
<p></p> HI Howard, thanks for replyin…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2017-01-02:865021:Comment:11716692017-01-02T19:18:19.051Zlilian leightonhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/lilianleighton
<p>HI Howard, thanks for replying i have to say on fussy eating we can beat beat you hands down, if he won't eat his dinner i ,most times have to take the bowl of food outside and make out I've got an imaginary cat that's going to gobble it down, and have been caught out by the next door neighbor making mi ow noises.Well if that don't work it gets worse we,... that his is 4 slaves get on our hands and knees making out were enjoying his food, then at last he may decide to be hand fed, hope this…</p>
<p>HI Howard, thanks for replying i have to say on fussy eating we can beat beat you hands down, if he won't eat his dinner i ,most times have to take the bowl of food outside and make out I've got an imaginary cat that's going to gobble it down, and have been caught out by the next door neighbor making mi ow noises.Well if that don't work it gets worse we,... that his is 4 slaves get on our hands and knees making out were enjoying his food, then at last he may decide to be hand fed, hope this tells you about <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">LORD PADDY</span></strong> lol thanks lizzi</p> Lillian,
Sounds like a pretty…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2017-01-02:865021:Comment:11716642017-01-02T06:09:14.852ZSherry Millerhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/SherryMiller
<p>Lillian,</p>
<p>Sounds like a pretty typical young Irish Setter....I kept baskets around the house with variety of toys to give to avoid the mouthing. ...loud ouch and No (even pretend crying) often changed the mood. Substitute as much as you can so Paddy learns acceptable things to chew on. Training is ongoing when they're young....I used gentle training only and another form of good very small treat just for training....kept a few in my pocket and threw a quick training session in when…</p>
<p>Lillian,</p>
<p>Sounds like a pretty typical young Irish Setter....I kept baskets around the house with variety of toys to give to avoid the mouthing. ...loud ouch and No (even pretend crying) often changed the mood. Substitute as much as you can so Paddy learns acceptable things to chew on. Training is ongoing when they're young....I used gentle training only and another form of good very small treat just for training....kept a few in my pocket and threw a quick training session in when behavior was slipping into the wild side. ....often changed that mood to a pup eager to please. I used a short leash for training when we had company and once calm kept them close to me in anticipation of one of the treats in my pocket. Jumping is hard to break ....I tried the turn around as I firmly said no and walked away. Tapped back paw with my foot to bring four paws back to the floor and finally decided to use my training treats to teach "four on the floor" into either a sit or a down. I started with them with paws on my arm or shoulders....gave the four on floor command as I stepped away or removed my arm....rewarded four on floor with praise and treat. Repeated over and over til four on floor was automatic and added the sit or down. Treats phased out slowly so sometimes just praise and sometimes a treat. I also train with hand signals to add changes and challenges for them..they will learn to watch you while training for those signals and I thinks it adds to my bond with them. Borrowing items is part of the game for them....life to an Irish is one big,joyous game. Crate or some form of containment when you are gone is safer for them than an Irish running amok in your home. All of ours grew out of having to be contained once they figured out it got them crated when gone. Our Molly regularly steals a tea towel and teases us with it, hides it or wants a game of chase...which we laugh at as that towel is never used by us....it's hers but the stealing of it satisfies her sense of getting away with something! Socks she borrows to hide....if they'd put them where they belonged it wouldn't happen! Our most talented and creative "borrowers" were the Irish we had while our girls were growing up...perhaps competition for attention or reactions they got out of our girls were a part of that. The two with only adults in the house didn't seem to feel the need to counter surf or borrow (except Molly's tea towel).</p>
<p>I never fed from the table ever and usually feed our pups first. Any table foods (green beans, tidbits of fish or chicken ) were placed in their bowl as I did the cleanup after a meal. Ours always laid on a rug while we ate. Hang in there it does get better.....and you will someday laugh at some of their wilder moments.</p>
<p>PS....I also do the trade for things they shouldn't have ....don't need to do it very often now with Molly but when she first came home we were trading at least once a day! Good luck and hope you soon find your Paddy to be a perfect gentleman (most of the time)</p>
<p>Sherry</p> Hi Lillian, So you are not al…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2017-01-01:865021:Comment:11714642017-01-01T11:17:32.035ZJames Doranhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/JAMESDORAN
<p>Hi Lillian, So you are not alone! We are going through something similar with our nearly 7 month old. He is also a mouthy nibbler and jumper! Although we have no problems with his eating, as he is a great eater. We haven't reached the stage where he can remain with us while we are eating, as he will only sit for a few seconds before bugging us for share. We put him in his crate, but keep him a little something which he is made to sit for after we have finished! He is a selective hearer as…</p>
<p>Hi Lillian, So you are not alone! We are going through something similar with our nearly 7 month old. He is also a mouthy nibbler and jumper! Although we have no problems with his eating, as he is a great eater. We haven't reached the stage where he can remain with us while we are eating, as he will only sit for a few seconds before bugging us for share. We put him in his crate, but keep him a little something which he is made to sit for after we have finished! He is a selective hearer as well, but young as they are, I firmly believe that they know exactly what they are doing! There is a battle of wills going on in our house at present, with him not wanting to be told what to do, and me making him do what I want him to do. It can be exasperating at times, but believe me you must persevere, and keep reprimanding him for doing wrong. I simply keep saying NO firmly to the mouthing and jumping, and it even gets to the stage where I will nip him for mouthing (which he doesn't like!) and jump on him for jumping at us (which he also doesn't like). Whether or not this is the right thing to do, it works for me and works quickly! I have read enough from other members on E.S. that these and many other traits in setter puppies are common but can and often do change as they age. I am however of the opinion that you must continually train and condition them to make sure that it does change. As far as the eating situation is concerned, if he does not want to eat his own food but wants yours, then you will probably have to keep him out of the kitchen/dining room when you are eating until he eventually eats his own first. (My sister's first boy had to be hand fed for a few years like Howards, although not any more!). At least take comfort that you are not alone, in respect of your boy's behaviour, Lillian. And remember, if he was in a dog pack, he would quickly be made aware of the boundaries of what is allowed and what is not! So make sure he understands his place in your pack and do not allow any bad behaviours! Where your dog sleeps is a personal choice. We also have ours sleeping in the bedroom with us. Many do and just as many do not. It is not an answer to anything, but I do know that a dog is always happier when it is close to it's human family. Lastly, you have not said if your boy is destructive! Do you have a crate? I would not be without one until maturity. Our boy is never left with the run of the house if we have to leave him alone! Best wishes and hope some of the replies have either helped or given you relief that you are not alone. Also use the search box in the forum tab at the top of the page to seek out information on a whole range of issues.</p>