Palmerston line? - Exclusively Setters2024-03-28T16:42:27Zhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/palmerston-line?feed=yes&xn_auth=noMy Twoacres bitch has a Palme…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-09-15:865021:Comment:2427482009-09-15T21:21:55.459ZLorraine Martinhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/LorraineMartin
My Twoacres bitch has a Palmerston strip, I just love it. it comes and goes with her coat changes. When she was a tiny puppy it was big splodge but just a strip now on the top of her head.<br />
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I read that palmerson was a failed gundog in Ireland that was to be shot but someone took him to London and showed him.
My Twoacres bitch has a Palmerston strip, I just love it. it comes and goes with her coat changes. When she was a tiny puppy it was big splodge but just a strip now on the top of her head.<br />
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I read that palmerson was a failed gundog in Ireland that was to be shot but someone took him to London and showed him. I remembered this topic yeste…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-09-15:865021:Comment:2427022009-09-15T19:26:43.714ZTeresahttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Teresa
I remembered this topic yesterday and i decided to re-read it...<br />
Pitanga's litter is now 1 month, and I have 3 puppies that were born with the white line on the head. One is fading away, but two are just as when the pups were born!<br />
Most of them also have white on their chests or throats. The little girl that had the white line that faded also has the tip of her toes painted in white!<br />
Oh and i also got "milk chins".<br />
Both mom and dad are from working/hunting lines.<br />
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My question is, after all, is…
I remembered this topic yesterday and i decided to re-read it...<br />
Pitanga's litter is now 1 month, and I have 3 puppies that were born with the white line on the head. One is fading away, but two are just as when the pups were born!<br />
Most of them also have white on their chests or throats. The little girl that had the white line that faded also has the tip of her toes painted in white!<br />
Oh and i also got "milk chins".<br />
Both mom and dad are from working/hunting lines.<br />
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My question is, after all, is there any meaning to any of these marks? And are any of this marks a reason to "punish" the dog on a show ring? yup, I read somewhere that th…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-07-15:865021:Comment:2213062009-07-15T16:31:55.697ZJelena Kreitmayerhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/legosmom
yup, I read somewhere that the person who was taking care of it threw it away as it became infested with moths. He was a hit at dog shows because of his lean and elegant skull that was much different than the dogs of that time.
yup, I read somewhere that the person who was taking care of it threw it away as it became infested with moths. He was a hit at dog shows because of his lean and elegant skull that was much different than the dogs of that time. >Do the boys tend to have…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-07-10:865021:Comment:2201782009-07-10T22:45:55.377ZHenk ten Kloosterhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Setterset
>Do the boys tend to have the white more than the girls?< Cheryl asked. Yes.
>Do the boys tend to have the white more than the girls?< Cheryl asked. Yes. My boy, Clancy, who is now 11…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-07-10:865021:Comment:2201612009-07-10T21:44:50.441ZCheryl Goreyhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/CherylGorey
My boy, Clancy, who is now 11 months old, has the Palmerston Strip on the top of his head and he also has a lovely white flash. Clancy had a white milk chin, but it has now gone. I have had 4 male IS over the years and they have all had a white flash, but I have had 3 girls and they have been solid red. I would be interested to have your thoughts - Do the boys tend to have the white more than the girls?<br />
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Here is a pic of my Clancy taken 2 weeks ago - I was trying to take a photo of him so he…
My boy, Clancy, who is now 11 months old, has the Palmerston Strip on the top of his head and he also has a lovely white flash. Clancy had a white milk chin, but it has now gone. I have had 4 male IS over the years and they have all had a white flash, but I have had 3 girls and they have been solid red. I would be interested to have your thoughts - Do the boys tend to have the white more than the girls?<br />
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Here is a pic of my Clancy taken 2 weeks ago - I was trying to take a photo of him so he decided to leap at me, but it does show his strip and his flash. Not especially Palmerston in…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-07-10:865021:Comment:2200842009-07-10T20:08:05.857ZHenk ten Kloosterhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Setterset
Not especially Palmerston in his lines is spectacular! Tell us more! Most Irish setters have him many tens of thousands times or hundreds thousands times in their pedigree!!!!
Not especially Palmerston in his lines is spectacular! Tell us more! Most Irish setters have him many tens of thousands times or hundreds thousands times in their pedigree!!!! There never were any Palmerst…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-07-10:865021:Comment:2200832009-07-10T20:05:50.165ZHenk ten Kloosterhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Setterset
There never were any Palmerston stars Dee.
There never were any Palmerston stars Dee. >The picture I have seen o…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-07-10:865021:Comment:2200822009-07-10T20:04:05.680ZHenk ten Kloosterhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Setterset
>The picture I have seen of Palmerston shows what today looks like a caricature of a setter. Maybe that was due to the freedom of the artist..?< wrote Susan Stone.<br />
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His son Ch Garryowen was model for the first conformation standard for Irish setters, so yes <i>looks</i> seems right. In the past, students of the breed were asked to explain his good points on the basis of THAT picture. Remember the topic French bitch..... How and with what pictorial material are showjudges educated nowadays?
>The picture I have seen of Palmerston shows what today looks like a caricature of a setter. Maybe that was due to the freedom of the artist..?< wrote Susan Stone.<br />
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His son Ch Garryowen was model for the first conformation standard for Irish setters, so yes <i>looks</i> seems right. In the past, students of the breed were asked to explain his good points on the basis of THAT picture. Remember the topic French bitch..... How and with what pictorial material are showjudges educated nowadays? White on Palmerston and Garry…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-07-10:865021:Comment:2200812009-07-10T19:53:54.112ZHenk ten Kloosterhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Setterset
White on Palmerston and Garryowen mentioned in all publications differs even here as you no doubt noticed.<br />
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Coloner Millner lived in Palmerston times so is quite a close source, Irish and visiting the US of A regularly. Plus in all writings very reliable. Thats why I chose him to quote.<br />
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The most recent book of Raymond O'Dwyer quotes Millner a lot, but still provides two options: nose and nose and forehead up to the crown of the head.<br />
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Yes his brother Ch Count (out of Ch Belle) was sometimes…
White on Palmerston and Garryowen mentioned in all publications differs even here as you no doubt noticed.<br />
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Coloner Millner lived in Palmerston times so is quite a close source, Irish and visiting the US of A regularly. Plus in all writings very reliable. Thats why I chose him to quote.<br />
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The most recent book of Raymond O'Dwyer quotes Millner a lot, but still provides two options: nose and nose and forehead up to the crown of the head.<br />
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Yes his brother Ch Count (out of Ch Belle) was sometimes preferred. The history of (fading) white tells quite a few lessons on historiography. So sorry Michaela, been sea…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-07-10:865021:Comment:2200672009-07-10T19:30:28.633ZHenk ten Kloosterhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Setterset
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So sorry Michaela, been searching for a snip on Ch Palmerston or a star on his son Ch Garryowen but although there is a wealth of paintings, drawings and pictures of last one, no star is to be seen. So hidden in the past, maybe with reason.<br />
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Also hidden in the past is that our famous Ch Garryowen had some white forbidden in the standard (for which he was the model!!!!), in the neck. Just like the first champion of Irish setters, Bob. Hopefully you…
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So sorry Michaela, been searching for a snip on Ch Palmerston or a star on his son Ch Garryowen but although there is a wealth of paintings, drawings and pictures of last one, no star is to be seen. So hidden in the past, maybe with reason.<br />
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Also hidden in the past is that our famous Ch Garryowen had some white forbidden in the standard (for which he was the model!!!!), in the neck. Just like the first champion of Irish setters, Bob. Hopefully you can enjoy this pup showing the forbidden -but treasured here!- so called snakewhite and a blazes.<br />
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Difficult to imagine that in dark pages of breeds history it was not kissable but killing white eh!