Road Rage..... well more of a fear actually. - Exclusively Setters2024-03-28T14:56:22Zhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/road-rage-well-more-of-a-fear?commentId=865021%3AComment%3A308976&feed=yes&xn_auth=noSmall tiny steps of improveme…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-04-13:865021:Comment:3108542010-04-13T10:59:23.028ZElizabeth Ballhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/ElizabethBall
Small tiny steps of improvement are showing themselves. At the weekend we took Bella to Wendover Woods which was a complete dog-fest and another set of questions and stories in itself. I hadn't realised (having never been there before) that it got so busy as it was relatively quiet when we arrived but on the way back to the car we had to walk through queues of slow moving cars waiting for spaces in the car park. Bella did really well and walked next to David reasonably calmly with a few…
Small tiny steps of improvement are showing themselves. At the weekend we took Bella to Wendover Woods which was a complete dog-fest and another set of questions and stories in itself. I hadn't realised (having never been there before) that it got so busy as it was relatively quiet when we arrived but on the way back to the car we had to walk through queues of slow moving cars waiting for spaces in the car park. Bella did really well and walked next to David reasonably calmly with a few skittish glances around but no pogo-ing so I was very pleased.<br />
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This morning it was back to Wilstone Village for a walk along the canal and through the fields to get rid of our energy before hitting the tarmac and a visit to the local shop. We managed to not only walk down the street OK (admittedly only one car passed at that point) but once at the shop I decided to buy a bottle of water and sit outside watching the world and its cars go by. Bella sat, ate some freshly baked Liver Cake (when do you ever get used to puree-ing Liver?) and even lay down in the sun as the cars drove on by. At one point a car came and stopped outside the shop and she didn't even move until the driver got out and her curiosity was piqued. A few people came over to say hello and pet her and when the car started up right next to her she didn't flinch and just turned to me for another piece of Liver Cake. I think we are a long way from being able to walk calmly down the street, particularly as these country roads are 60mph ones around me, but she is certainly getting more comfortable with slower moving cars.<br />
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Sue - I think it is really interesting that your dogs have each behaved differently for you and helps make me realise that you cannot necessarily follow a standard training prescription for all dogs in all circumstances. Bella is definitely going through a period of skittishness at the moment as she is being more reactive to situations and people that she has dealt with before and seems to have lost a little of her confidence, I'm hoping that it is more to do with her age and hormones than something we have done wrong with her training because I do not feel like our behaviour has changed since we got her. As with all of this we will just have to wait, see and persevere. If anyone honestly thinks tha…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-04-11:865021:Comment:3098402010-04-11T06:10:21.520Zursula wilbyhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/mossby188
If anyone honestly thinks that they can snap their fingers producing the exact same sound each time...and on top of that, with the same loudness as a clicker..<br />
I would think that is quite a talent.<br />
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Thank you for straightening out that question-mark!
If anyone honestly thinks that they can snap their fingers producing the exact same sound each time...and on top of that, with the same loudness as a clicker..<br />
I would think that is quite a talent.<br />
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Thank you for straightening out that question-mark! Glad to hear I am not the onl…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-04-11:865021:Comment:3098172010-04-11T00:08:13.719ZJo Ottingerhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/tizlady
Glad to hear I am not the only one. Kids have givin me a bad time about it for year.
Glad to hear I am not the only one. Kids have givin me a bad time about it for year. I can't snap my fingers, neve…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-04-10:865021:Comment:3098052010-04-10T23:02:12.532ZJo Ottingerhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/tizlady
I can't snap my fingers, never been able to
I can't snap my fingers, never been able to I had a trainer tell me this…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-04-10:865021:Comment:3097952010-04-10T22:17:18.416ZSue and Cashhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/SusanLoconsole
I had a trainer tell me this last week Ursula -it means snap your fingers!!<br />
A snap can have the same effect is what was meant. Personally I like the click sound better than a snap. I suppose it's just my preference.
I had a trainer tell me this last week Ursula -it means snap your fingers!!<br />
A snap can have the same effect is what was meant. Personally I like the click sound better than a snap. I suppose it's just my preference. Finn, I did not want to reply…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-04-10:865021:Comment:3097072010-04-10T19:33:29.963Zursula wilbyhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/mossby188
Finn, I did not want to reply to this discussion any more, but I just have to ask what your trainer ment about the thumb and middlefinger.<br />
I actually can not make head or tail out of this...<br />
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And no I am not in to clickers.<br />
Great for initial training but still not quite my thing...but I can see that it is a good method used propperly.
Finn, I did not want to reply to this discussion any more, but I just have to ask what your trainer ment about the thumb and middlefinger.<br />
I actually can not make head or tail out of this...<br />
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And no I am not in to clickers.<br />
Great for initial training but still not quite my thing...but I can see that it is a good method used propperly. Thank you all for your loveli…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-04-08:865021:Comment:3089882010-04-08T13:57:53.255ZElizabeth Ballhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/ElizabethBall
Thank you all for your loveliness, this was certainly not the debate I had intended to start when I asked the question and I am grateful to those of you who have rallied around and shared your experiences and stories. My husband gave me a nice dose of tough love last night and told me not to let people I don't know judge me and upset me, which is entirely true. He is happy, I'm happy, and most importantly Bella is happy with how we are rumbling along in general whilst we are all on this massive…
Thank you all for your loveliness, this was certainly not the debate I had intended to start when I asked the question and I am grateful to those of you who have rallied around and shared your experiences and stories. My husband gave me a nice dose of tough love last night and told me not to let people I don't know judge me and upset me, which is entirely true. He is happy, I'm happy, and most importantly Bella is happy with how we are rumbling along in general whilst we are all on this massive learning curve. Apologies to all for being a little defensive, this really isn't my style.<br />
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Ursula - I do appreciate that you are reiterating what Ossian has advised in a more diplomatic way but I think you too seem convinced that I was looking for a different way of tackling the problem. I'M NOT. I just wanted to know how people like Ilona got through this problem or if Bella was the only dog in the world who had suddenly decided she would be off-road only. I shall persevere, slowly, with the current plan, as was always my intention. If it doesn't work I shall discuss with my great Trainer (have I stressed enough that I think she is good?)<br />
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Sue also makes a valid point about getting spooked suddenly, Bella went through a stage of swerving away from fisherman's umbrellas whenever we encountered them but thanks to a few nice gents she now is wanting to find whomever may be sitting under it when she spies one by the reservoir.<br />
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Today I took Bella somewhere new, to the quietest village I know that gets a car about every 5 minutes and we managed a little bit of walking nicely on the Lead (as well as a good few villagers admiring Bella's gorgeousness, which she just lapped up - and she didn't jump up at anyone!) Typically when I was feeling like we were making a tiny progression this massive, noisy, agricultural tractory thing (technical term there) came through sending Bella to take refuge under a laurel hedge with her tail firmly between her legs. It seems I can't control everything within her environment unfortunately. Thankfully after only 15-20 seconds she emerged into the sunshine and we made it back to the car without further incident, though we had lost form on Lead walking. I shall let you know how we get on in the longer term.<br />
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I really hope that this "discussion" has not discouraged others from posting on ES as there are some great people on here who really seem to want to help all of us get the most out of our fabulous dogs. I know I have found it so useful to realise that I am not the only one puzzled that their bundle of mischief keeps puking in the car for example. I just think we (and I include myself here) need to make sure that we read each others messages carefully before we hit the keyboard.<br />
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It's all water under the bridge as far as I am concerned, the sun is shining and Bella is asleep in the garden having just dug a massive and unauthorised hole so I had better get that concealed before the boss gets home tonight......... Couldn't agree more sue!tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-04-08:865021:Comment:3089762010-04-08T12:38:31.128ZLouise Perryhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/LouisePerry
Couldn't agree more sue!
Couldn't agree more sue! I am not going to take sides…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-04-08:865021:Comment:3088952010-04-08T08:09:55.098Zursula wilbyhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/mossby188
I am not going to take sides here, but I have trained a lot of dogs to very high obedience-levels and have also helped plenty of others.<br />
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I think the main problem is that owners generally dont spend enough time using the solution they have been offered. We are used to quick-fixes and if it does not work after the first three times...well its obviously not a good training method (according to lots of owners).<br />
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Dog training takes <b>TIME</b>! And lots of it!<br />
In my oppinion the worst you can do is…
I am not going to take sides here, but I have trained a lot of dogs to very high obedience-levels and have also helped plenty of others.<br />
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I think the main problem is that owners generally dont spend enough time using the solution they have been offered. We are used to quick-fixes and if it does not work after the first three times...well its obviously not a good training method (according to lots of owners).<br />
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Dog training takes <b>TIME</b>! And lots of it!<br />
In my oppinion the worst you can do is try <b>all</b> sollutions on your problem...unfortunatly none of them long enough to give the desired effect.<br />
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All roads may lead to Rome, but you cant keep changing directions every 5 minutes or you will never get there...:-) Hi Elizabeth,
You are doing…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-04-08:865021:Comment:3088502010-04-08T03:32:40.241ZIlona & Ginahttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/IlonaCrotogino
Hi Elizabeth,<br />
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You are doing a great job, and don't worry, whether we have experience or not, we all feel insecure at times and need to ask a whole community of people. This is what the forum is there for. And I re-read your text and don't see that you offended your trainer. The opposite, you take on her advice, step by step, and you want to do a one-to-one .What a great honour to a trainer's expertise!<br />
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Our Anton had developed a fear of roads, but he had a reason. He was hit by a car (running…
Hi Elizabeth,<br />
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You are doing a great job, and don't worry, whether we have experience or not, we all feel insecure at times and need to ask a whole community of people. This is what the forum is there for. And I re-read your text and don't see that you offended your trainer. The opposite, you take on her advice, step by step, and you want to do a one-to-one .What a great honour to a trainer's expertise!<br />
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Our Anton had developed a fear of roads, but he had a reason. He was hit by a car (running out the open gate of our dog park). Lucky dog, he was unharmed! But from then on he freaked when he saw a car passing by . He wouldn't sit by the kerbside and recoiled when he heard car engines. Anton is a foodie, believe me. But he would not eat any tidbits. He was too scared. It was hard, as the way to our local dog beach leads across a busy road.<br />
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Without knowing, we actually did what your trainer suggested, got him re-used to traffic bit by bit. We went to the shopping Centre car park, to other car parks, along quiet roads, adding more and more stress factors (cars). It took some months, but he is fine now, sits at the kerbs and doesn't even flinch when a bus passes by. It takes time, and patience.<br />
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And don't worry when you feel critisized on the forum. I had a similar problem when we got our new puppies, and it took a while before I wanted to go back into the forum. You just feel so vulnerable! But I guess some people only want to help, thinking they contribute with their own expertise, which can come across quite offensive. It is the downside of a public forum, that's why it's good to stick to a certain net-iquette.<br />
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I hope you still enjoy the forum anyway. Good luck with Bella. She will be fine.