Sensitive Tummy Food Advice! - Exclusively Setters2024-03-29T15:41:24Zhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/sensitive-tummy-food-advice?feed=yes&xn_auth=noMy husband adopted our 10 yea…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2015-11-27:865021:Comment:11618812015-11-27T20:05:04.970ZJennifer Shttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/JenniferSellek
<p>My husband adopted our 10 year old male when he was 3 years old. Bentley had been surrendered to a shelter and no information was available at his adoption regarding the first 3 years of his life. His coat was in poor shape as was his demeanor. He tried Bentley on several different high quality foods but Bentley would eventually end up with squeaky and rumbly guts, horrible rear end "wind" and would vomit and refuse to eat for a day or two. We would feed him boiled chicken and rice for a…</p>
<p>My husband adopted our 10 year old male when he was 3 years old. Bentley had been surrendered to a shelter and no information was available at his adoption regarding the first 3 years of his life. His coat was in poor shape as was his demeanor. He tried Bentley on several different high quality foods but Bentley would eventually end up with squeaky and rumbly guts, horrible rear end "wind" and would vomit and refuse to eat for a day or two. We would feed him boiled chicken and rice for a couple days until he could eat kibble again. Eventually we found Taste of the Wild grain free Pacific Stream to work. It has probiotics in it but we also put a spoonful of plain yogurt on it as well. He has been on this food for the last six years with only the occasional tummy problem. His coat and attitude improved significantly as well. We recently acquired a puppy who refused to eat this food so we switched them both to NutriSource grain free chicken. Bentley's stomach problems returned then resolved when we put him back on the Taste of the Wild. And regarding the puppy, well, I realized that I had made her into a picky eater and eventually tricked her back to Taste of the Wild too.</p>
<p>We researched how to provide home-made food for our pups but quickly realized how complicated it would be to ensure a well-balanced meal what with all the vitamin and mineral supplements that were recommended.</p> Two of my dogs had recurrent…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2015-10-31:865021:Comment:11604352015-10-31T02:54:42.153ZConnie Lyonshttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/ConnieLyons
<p>Two of my dogs had recurrent bouts of gurgly stomachs, gas, not wanting to eat. I changed them to Nutri Source grain free 3 months ago and neither of them has had a single episode since.</p>
<p>Two of my dogs had recurrent bouts of gurgly stomachs, gas, not wanting to eat. I changed them to Nutri Source grain free 3 months ago and neither of them has had a single episode since.</p> Hi Vanessa
I have had terrib…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2015-10-31:865021:Comment:11604322015-10-31T02:34:36.668Zshirley walshhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/shirleywalsh
<p>Hi Vanessa</p>
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<p>I have had terrible trouble with one of my setters Sophie. She is always windy at both ends and burps and swallows air whilst her sister has no problem in that department . Sophie has had bloat and torsion 4 times , the last time being just over a week ago when she nearly died, although still not out of the woods yet. I have decided to start Sophie on Nutriment raw food and see how she gets on as I know that she has delayed gastric emptying . I did send DNA samples…</p>
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<p>I have had terrible trouble with one of my setters Sophie. She is always windy at both ends and burps and swallows air whilst her sister has no problem in that department . Sophie has had bloat and torsion 4 times , the last time being just over a week ago when she nearly died, although still not out of the woods yet. I have decided to start Sophie on Nutriment raw food and see how she gets on as I know that she has delayed gastric emptying . I did send DNA samples to the Animal Health Trust who were doing research into bloat (that was in 2013). All I can say is that Sophie is the only setter I have had that has had these digestive problems and GDV. My vet is so against raw diet but I have to try and stop further bloating as she may not be so lucky next time. The hospital I took her to think that she is some miracle dog for surviving so many...</p> Jamie who is now 15months old…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2015-07-25:865021:Comment:11561192015-07-25T10:48:10.941Zalison higginshttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/alisonhiggins
<p>Jamie who is now 15months old had continual stomach problems, lots of gurgling noises, very windy, poo sometimes good sometimes bad. It progressively got worse until we had a really bad night, I was really quite scared for his health. I changed my vet on recommendation and he immediately put Jamie on raw food, and gave me probiotics to cleanse his stomach. The change has been amazing, no wind, no gurgling noises. He was on Royal Canin. The vet informed me that NO dog who has been fed on raw…</p>
<p>Jamie who is now 15months old had continual stomach problems, lots of gurgling noises, very windy, poo sometimes good sometimes bad. It progressively got worse until we had a really bad night, I was really quite scared for his health. I changed my vet on recommendation and he immediately put Jamie on raw food, and gave me probiotics to cleanse his stomach. The change has been amazing, no wind, no gurgling noises. He was on Royal Canin. The vet informed me that NO dog who has been fed on raw food has ever had bloat. I would suggest raw food, but you have to go the whole hog, no treats as biscuits, all raw food. I bake kidney and liver and then chop up for treats. Good luck. x</p> i had a similar situation wit…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2015-07-22:865021:Comment:11563402015-07-22T20:59:14.292ZConnie Lyonshttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/ConnieLyons
<p>i had a similar situation with one of my dogs. Switched to Wellness Core Grain Free and have had no problems for months. Expensive but worth it.</p>
<p>i had a similar situation with one of my dogs. Switched to Wellness Core Grain Free and have had no problems for months. Expensive but worth it.</p> Planet Paws Pet Essentials wi…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2014-10-12:865021:Comment:11448482014-10-12T19:09:22.330ZFran Griffinhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/FranGriffin
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<p>FEEDING OVERLY COOKED MEATS/KIBBLE = FEEDING HETEROCYCLIC AMINES = FEEDING CANCER!</p>
<p>The biggest attack on feeding your pets raw food has always been the debate surrounding bacteria. “Only feed cooked meats/kibble”, is what some veterinarians are telling their clients. But are these same clients also warned about HCAs in cooked meats?</p>
<p>Heterocyclic amines (HCAs) are chemicals formed…</p>
<p>Planet Paws Pet Essentials with Sonia Maria and Soninha Maciel<br/> Sponsored · Edited ·</p>
<p>FEEDING OVERLY COOKED MEATS/KIBBLE = FEEDING HETEROCYCLIC AMINES = FEEDING CANCER!</p>
<p>The biggest attack on feeding your pets raw food has always been the debate surrounding bacteria. “Only feed cooked meats/kibble”, is what some veterinarians are telling their clients. But are these same clients also warned about HCAs in cooked meats?</p>
<p>Heterocyclic amines (HCAs) are chemicals formed when meat, including beef, pork, fish, or poultry, is cooked using high-temperature methods, such as pan frying, grilling directly over an open flame, baking in the oven, or even during the extrusion process of kibble.</p>
<p>Studies have shown that exposure to HCAs can cause cancer in animals.</p>
<p>Temperature is the most important factor. Problems begin at 212 F (100 C), with the real nasty HCAs forming at about 572 degrees F (300 C).</p>
<p>Essentially, the hotter and longer a meat is cooked, the more HCAs. Direct heat methods like frying and grilling produce more than indirect-heat methods like stewing, steaming or poaching. Kibble itself has most often gone through a double cooking session (meat meals are pre-cooked and then cooked again during the making of the kibble).</p>
<p>“A study published in the journal ‘Mutation Research’ showed that out of 25 commercial pet foods analyzed for mutagenic activity (the ability to induce mutations in cells), all but one had a positive response. Fourteen of the 25 foods were analyzed for heterocyclic amine mutagens or carcinogens, and all but one contained a carcinogen.</p>
<p>Dogs eat these types of foods consistently, whereas most humans have very diverse diets. So a pet’s level of intake and exposure may be much higher than a human’s and the risk much greater as a result.” – Dr. Karen Becker</p>
<p>So if we don’t cook the meats when feeding our pets, what about the problems with bacteria?</p>
<p>According to Dr. Richard S Patton, who has been an animal nutritionist for over three decades: “The gut actually needs a regular flow of bacteria of different kinds. I think the worse thing you can do is feed canned this or that because it’s legally and literally sterile and I think this sets up problems. Now I’m not an advocate that we should all go live like vultures. But I do think that we can be obsessive about our need for sterility and that is actually setting up problems.”</p>
<p>Moral of the story: raw foods don’t have HCAs and although bacteria may worry some, every pet parent should always be presented both sides of the story.</p>
<p>Pet Nutrition Blogger - Rodney Habib</p> Wouldn't consider changing to…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2014-10-12:865021:Comment:11449902014-10-12T13:18:15.341ZFran Griffinhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/FranGriffin
<p>Wouldn't consider changing to Royal Canin - you will go from the frying pan into the fire. Much poorer quality food. ALL dry foods dehydrate the dog - they do by their very nature. I have had my brains chewed up by the dry food zealots on here before, and this is why I rarely come on here any more, but for those who are prepared to take the padlocks off their minds. Dry foods DO dehydrate dogs. Dry foods also take up to 12 hours to leave the stomach before entering the colon. During that…</p>
<p>Wouldn't consider changing to Royal Canin - you will go from the frying pan into the fire. Much poorer quality food. ALL dry foods dehydrate the dog - they do by their very nature. I have had my brains chewed up by the dry food zealots on here before, and this is why I rarely come on here any more, but for those who are prepared to take the padlocks off their minds. Dry foods DO dehydrate dogs. Dry foods also take up to 12 hours to leave the stomach before entering the colon. During that time, the stomach is working like a saw mill to try and break down these foods which have been cooked 3 times, virtually to a cinder. They then have flavour enhancers added to make the dog want to eat it. There is no natural water content by design (which is totally unnatural to any species of animal therefore the dog has to drink more to compensate. The water they take in will then have to permeate through the dry food before it reaches a state to aid digestion. Soaking in advanced still doesn't cut it - because you cannot get it back to its natural volume without the entire thing becoming a complete and utter mush and that could take a good 24 hours. By that time, your dog would probably not want to touch it. </p>
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<p>By design it also lacks digestive enzymes which raw food would naturally contain. Therefore digestion becomes even more difficult. Add to this, most dry foods (although not all now - because the pet food industry are concerned about the growing number of raw food and steam cooked moist food feeders gobbling up their market) contain very large amounts of carbohydrates - which is species inappropriate. Dogs are carnivores. They have NOT evolved to become carb eaters which the pet food industry have tried to convince vets and other people. Even the first states of pre-evolution takes millions of years! dry foods have only been around for about 100 years - even if that.</p>
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<p>I am a real advocate of feeding good quality raw foods. Most dogs who are fed a good quality raw food drink far less, wee far less, fart - hardly ever - and have really good firm pooh which empties the anal glands naturally as it passes through - so no - mine never have to see a vet to have their anal glands expressed, and my oldest who is 11 has really lovely teeth from eating raw bones, that at this stage, shows no signs of needing dental assistance. They are far less likely to when they are fed raw, but obviously things can go wrong with teeth - but they certainly don't need descaling - and probably never will. Two of my reds do have slightly weak pancreases - therefore additional digestive enzymes are required which keeps them going well. One of my reds developed myeopathy and laryngeal paralysis which almost killed her - but once the enzymes were introduced her conditions reversed by around 80% and she is still here - enjoying life. Chases her ball, jumps railings and whats more - a recent health check had our vet astounded. She said to me in the middle of the waiting room, out loud when she spotted me "I have to say that for an 11 year old AND an 11 year old Setter at that - Tallulah's blood results are truly remarkable to be amazing. Everything is slap bang mid range, and anything which is not is so slightly off that it's not work mentioning". If any dry food zealot wants to challenge this - I have a copy of these results which I would be more than happy to publish - so don't even go there!</p>
<p>If anyone wants help in going raw with their dog, feel free to pm me and I will point you in the right direction. If you cannot bear the thought of raw feeding (which some people can't because they think it will sit around in a dish all day - like dry food - it doesn't. It goes in minutes!!!) then look into feeding something along the lines of Forthglade - which is a really good quality moist food - which contains absolutely nothing it shouldn't and they also do grain free packs now which is brilliant. If you go down this route - please don't add dry thinking this will clean your dogs teeth and provide an adequate "crunch". It doesn't. Far from it, hence why SO many dogs get hauled into the vets by the time they are 8 to have their teeth descaled. Also the stomach handles the digestion of dry at a totally different rate to the moist - as mentioned above.</p>
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<p>I hope this helps. As I say - I am very reluctant to come on here now having been chewed to pieces in the past by people who want to defend their own way of thinking for whatever reason. If you lot don't want to consider this because it affects your beliefs then that's up to you. It's your money and your dogs.</p> Thanks Angela.xxxtag:irishsetters.ning.com,2014-10-12:865021:Comment:11449862014-10-12T12:29:44.386ZVanessa Hancockhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/VanessaHancock
<p>Thanks Angela.xxx</p>
<p>Thanks Angela.xxx</p> Eva - my biggest fear is bloa…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2014-10-12:865021:Comment:11447512014-10-12T12:29:16.627ZVanessa Hancockhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/VanessaHancock
<p>Eva - my biggest fear is bloat and that Riley may be susceptible. Im speaking to the vet next week so hopefully between the two of us we will come up with a plan of action. Thanks for your advice. xxx</p>
<p>Eva - my biggest fear is bloat and that Riley may be susceptible. Im speaking to the vet next week so hopefully between the two of us we will come up with a plan of action. Thanks for your advice. xxx</p> Christine - thanks for the ad…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2014-10-12:865021:Comment:11447482014-10-12T12:27:27.287ZVanessa Hancockhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/VanessaHancock
<p>Christine - thanks for the advice - I will take it on board when I speak to the vet next week. xxx</p>
<p>Christine - thanks for the advice - I will take it on board when I speak to the vet next week. xxx</p>