setter's numbers in the UK? - Exclusively Setters2024-03-29T08:31:48Zhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/setter-s-numbers-in-the-uk?commentId=865021%3AComment%3A885820&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHi Sue
I can honestly say I h…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-02-18:865021:Comment:8944062012-02-18T13:58:02.223ZAndy Bensteadhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/AndyBenstead
<p>Hi Sue</p>
<p>I can honestly say I have no problem with the word mongrel. My last dog (Wilma) was a mongrel and possibly the best dog I have ever owned. She lived to be 15.5 years old and was a very healthy dog, very easy to train, good with children and only had an ear infection when she was young.</p>
<p>I do have a problem with people that do not understand the definition of a word they use so often.</p>
<p>Even if you have worked with dogs for a hundred years, the definition of mongrel…</p>
<p>Hi Sue</p>
<p>I can honestly say I have no problem with the word mongrel. My last dog (Wilma) was a mongrel and possibly the best dog I have ever owned. She lived to be 15.5 years old and was a very healthy dog, very easy to train, good with children and only had an ear infection when she was young.</p>
<p>I do have a problem with people that do not understand the definition of a word they use so often.</p>
<p>Even if you have worked with dogs for a hundred years, the definition of mongrel is different to crossbreed, like it or not.</p>
<p>I am proud to own a dog that is classed as a crossbreed and I was proud to own my mongrel. My point is really nothing to do with the dog, but the English language as it stands today.</p>
<p>Andy</p> Its like the canine version o…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-02-18:865021:Comment:8944872012-02-18T09:39:26.598ZOssianhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Ossian
<p>Its like the canine version of political correctness</p>
<p>We went from "nigger" to "black" to "coloured" and even "ethnic origin" and now its offensive to use the original terms. Seems that people associate the term mongrel with something really "low" when in fact it is a term of reference.</p>
<p>Sorry Sue, as long as there are Andys who defend the unnecessary crossing of dogs that can not repeoduce themselves in further matings, the deigner craze will continue</p>
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<p>Its like the canine version of political correctness</p>
<p>We went from "nigger" to "black" to "coloured" and even "ethnic origin" and now its offensive to use the original terms. Seems that people associate the term mongrel with something really "low" when in fact it is a term of reference.</p>
<p>Sorry Sue, as long as there are Andys who defend the unnecessary crossing of dogs that can not repeoduce themselves in further matings, the deigner craze will continue</p>
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Hi Sue
When a dog finds its…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-02-17:865021:Comment:8943062012-02-17T22:59:46.783ZAndy Bensteadhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/AndyBenstead
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<p><span style="font-family: Arial; color: black; font-size: 10pt;">Hi Sue</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Arial; color: black; font-size: 10pt;">When a dog finds its way into a re-homing centre the staff do the best they can to describe it, sometimes they are right and sometimes wrong. If it looks a bit setterish and a bit corgi-ish, that's how they would advertise it. A setter that is a poor specimen may or may not be a true setter, but I do mostly agree with you on that. No…</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: Arial; color: black; font-size: 10pt;">Hi Sue</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Arial; color: black; font-size: 10pt;">When a dog finds its way into a re-homing centre the staff do the best they can to describe it, sometimes they are right and sometimes wrong. If it looks a bit setterish and a bit corgi-ish, that's how they would advertise it. A setter that is a poor specimen may or may not be a true setter, but I do mostly agree with you on that. No comment on 30 years ago, but these days a poodle x Labrador is called a Labradoodle and is classed as a crossbreed, not a mongrel.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Arial; color: black; font-size: 10pt;">As I stated before, we did lots of research on Labradoodles before we bought Cassie. We did not pay a fortune for her, but even if we had she would have been worth it. Everyone says they cost too much money, but how about kittens. At one time you would struggle to find free homes for them and now you have to buy them. Changing times.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Arial; color: black; font-size: 10pt;">Cassie is still very young, but she is such a good dog, so agile and easy to train. We are so pleased that we have her. She is the perfect mate for Riley (our setter).</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Arial; color: black; font-size: 10pt;">I find it difficult to believe that some people have trouble understanding that two pedigree dogs of different breeds will produce crossbreed pups and not mongrels.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Arial; color: black; font-size: 10pt;">Andy</span></p> Hi Ossian
As I said, very few…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-02-17:865021:Comment:8943712012-02-17T20:25:43.002ZAndy Bensteadhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/AndyBenstead
<p>Hi Ossian</p>
<p>As I said, very few get dumped at re-homing centres and as you said, in proportion to the number born. We will always have rescue centres for most pedigree, mongrel or crossbred dogs. As for stats, figures can lie and liars can figure!</p>
<p>Statistics can be presented to support or condemn both sides of the discussion.</p>
<p>Andy</p>
<p>Hi Ossian</p>
<p>As I said, very few get dumped at re-homing centres and as you said, in proportion to the number born. We will always have rescue centres for most pedigree, mongrel or crossbred dogs. As for stats, figures can lie and liars can figure!</p>
<p>Statistics can be presented to support or condemn both sides of the discussion.</p>
<p>Andy</p> Hi Sue
I would never belittle…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-02-17:865021:Comment:8943702012-02-17T20:08:54.882ZAndy Bensteadhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/AndyBenstead
<p>Hi Sue</p>
<p>I would never belittle pet dogs and please forgive me if that is how it came across. Every home should have one or two or more of them.</p>
<p>I think that in some (if not most) cases an Irish setter will increase your blood pressure! As for friends, he has more than me as I only have one friend.</p>
<p>Andy</p>
<p>Hi Sue</p>
<p>I would never belittle pet dogs and please forgive me if that is how it came across. Every home should have one or two or more of them.</p>
<p>I think that in some (if not most) cases an Irish setter will increase your blood pressure! As for friends, he has more than me as I only have one friend.</p>
<p>Andy</p> Dont take me on witrh rehomin…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-02-17:865021:Comment:8942952012-02-17T19:03:20.280ZOssianhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Ossian
<p>Dont take me on witrh rehoming stats Andy your breed is rehomed in proportion to the number born and they have a rescue function already although it is a young product</p>
<p>Dont take me on witrh rehoming stats Andy your breed is rehomed in proportion to the number born and they have a rescue function already although it is a young product</p> Hi Ossian
The Labradoodle, a…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-02-17:865021:Comment:8944652012-02-17T19:03:05.657ZAndy Bensteadhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/AndyBenstead
<p>Hi Ossian</p>
<p>The Labradoodle, a mix between a Labrador and a standard poodle, was originally bred for a woman who needed a non-allergenic guide dog.</p>
<p>It was about 22 years ago when Wally Conron produced the first Labradoodle.</p>
<p>I must also add, he does regret it now due to the designer dog label.</p>
<p>I know nothing about other crossbreeds and I am not qualified to comment on them.</p>
<p>To be honest, any dog that is kept as a pet has little use.</p>
<p>Andy</p>
<p>Hi Ossian</p>
<p>The Labradoodle, a mix between a Labrador and a standard poodle, was originally bred for a woman who needed a non-allergenic guide dog.</p>
<p>It was about 22 years ago when Wally Conron produced the first Labradoodle.</p>
<p>I must also add, he does regret it now due to the designer dog label.</p>
<p>I know nothing about other crossbreeds and I am not qualified to comment on them.</p>
<p>To be honest, any dog that is kept as a pet has little use.</p>
<p>Andy</p> Cathy when you meet a poor "b…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-02-17:865021:Comment:8943692012-02-17T18:57:32.606ZOssianhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Ossian
<p>Cathy when you meet a poor "beleagered" woman who has shelled out £1500 for a male labdoodle and another £500 for a bitch labdoodle and is delighted because she too is going to breed them (and make money) I get the disticnt impression when she has her first litter she aint going to be happy and I imagine the best she could do was sell her litter of mongrels?</p>
<p>Cathy when you meet a poor "beleagered" woman who has shelled out £1500 for a male labdoodle and another £500 for a bitch labdoodle and is delighted because she too is going to breed them (and make money) I get the disticnt impression when she has her first litter she aint going to be happy and I imagine the best she could do was sell her litter of mongrels?</p> Hi Ossian
Fact is, very few L…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-02-17:865021:Comment:8942932012-02-17T18:47:56.983ZAndy Bensteadhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/AndyBenstead
<p>Hi Ossian</p>
<p>Fact is, very few Labradoodles get dumped at rescue centres in the United Kingdom. Did Clarissa Baldwin CEO Dogs Trust invent the word "Mongrel" and was she responsible for the definition of the word? Did she study or has she got any qualifications in the English language? When any dog is dumped at any of her re-homing centres she could call them pigs if she wants, but her definition is wrong.</p>
<p>The definition of a mongrel is different to the definition of…</p>
<p>Hi Ossian</p>
<p>Fact is, very few Labradoodles get dumped at rescue centres in the United Kingdom. Did Clarissa Baldwin CEO Dogs Trust invent the word "Mongrel" and was she responsible for the definition of the word? Did she study or has she got any qualifications in the English language? When any dog is dumped at any of her re-homing centres she could call them pigs if she wants, but her definition is wrong.</p>
<p>The definition of a mongrel is different to the definition of a crossbreed.</p>
<p>Andy</p> Sorry Andy "cross breed" is l…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-02-17:865021:Comment:8942922012-02-17T18:47:39.086ZOssianhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Ossian
<p>Sorry Andy "cross breed" is like "first cross" its a term they came up with to sell a dog which has</p>
<p>np acceopted pedigree. Funny thing is its like the KC "working register"</p>
<p>The dog is not a full pedigree but you can still register with the KC - its about fashion and until owners acceopt the nomiker mongrel we are destined to see an ever increasing number of crosses</p>
<p>Andy - I will give you "lab poodle"the cross was thought through. These are both gundogs originally, water…</p>
<p>Sorry Andy "cross breed" is like "first cross" its a term they came up with to sell a dog which has</p>
<p>np acceopted pedigree. Funny thing is its like the KC "working register"</p>
<p>The dog is not a full pedigree but you can still register with the KC - its about fashion and until owners acceopt the nomiker mongrel we are destined to see an ever increasing number of crosses</p>
<p>Andy - I will give you "lab poodle"the cross was thought through. These are both gundogs originally, water retrievers. easy going, working dogs. the innovator of the cross saw them as a dog useful in the assisrance field almost entirely becuase the cross did not moult. Fine!</p>
<p>Now tell me what use is a Malrish? Englese?Malweiler? Boxdon?</p>
<p>All of them crossed for cross sake and because somone thought it was a great money spinner</p>