Spaying a Irish Setter Bitch?? - Exclusively Setters2024-03-29T07:25:49Zhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/spaying-a-irish-setter-bitch?commentId=865021%3AComment%3A905005&feed=yes&xn_auth=noSue, that makes me feel so mu…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-11:865021:Comment:9055562012-03-11T00:31:20.786ZCharlotte Hoodhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/CharlotteHood
<p>Sue, that makes me feel so much better that the coat changes arent always bad with flat coats like mine :)</p>
<p>also that im not the only owner that wants their dogs neutered :) was the problem with inconteience really bad?</p>
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<p>Sue, that makes me feel so much better that the coat changes arent always bad with flat coats like mine :)</p>
<p>also that im not the only owner that wants their dogs neutered :) was the problem with inconteience really bad?</p>
<p> </p> Oh i dont know all the facts…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-11:865021:Comment:9055542012-03-11T00:09:24.985ZCharlotte Hoodhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/CharlotteHood
<p>Oh i dont know all the facts or probability of this, thanks for making me aware :) i've just researched into and putting them on hormones seem to help and some a designed to strenghten the sphincter.</p>
<p>i did learn that if you spay to young the sphincter wont grow fully, thata what i was going for with the risk being higher when younger.</p>
<p>I'll defo look into before i get rose spayed :)</p>
<p>Oh i dont know all the facts or probability of this, thanks for making me aware :) i've just researched into and putting them on hormones seem to help and some a designed to strenghten the sphincter.</p>
<p>i did learn that if you spay to young the sphincter wont grow fully, thata what i was going for with the risk being higher when younger.</p>
<p>I'll defo look into before i get rose spayed :)</p> The girl that became incontie…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-10:865021:Comment:9055462012-03-10T23:18:57.945ZAngela Robertshttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/AngelaRoberts
<p>The girl that became incontient was 6 1/2 years old when she had to be spayed (I did state that in my original post). So she was fully mature but I wouldn't agree with your statement 'because that's a very small risk then spaying a dog after the age of about 1 as the main reason for incontinence problems after spaying is with young girls that havent had a chance to grow fully and mature resulting in the urinary system not being fully developed.' </p>
<p>In Irish Setters I would say it's a…</p>
<p>The girl that became incontient was 6 1/2 years old when she had to be spayed (I did state that in my original post). So she was fully mature but I wouldn't agree with your statement 'because that's a very small risk then spaying a dog after the age of about 1 as the main reason for incontinence problems after spaying is with young girls that havent had a chance to grow fully and mature resulting in the urinary system not being fully developed.' </p>
<p>In Irish Setters I would say it's a major risk and the earlier you spay the worse it seems to be. The reason behind incontience of a spayed bitch is due to the lack of estrogen hormone after the ovaries have been removed. Estrogen is responsible for providing tone to the bladder sphincter muscle. When spayed, this hormone is no longer being produced in the amount it was prior to the removal of the ovaries so when the dog relaxes, so does the sphincter muscle of the bladder, which controls urination itself. When this muscle relaxes too much, urine is then allowed to leak out of the bladder. Seriously affected dogs dribble urine while awake and walking around.</p>
<p>I have had quite a few people who have bought puppies from me that have been previous owners of the breed or buying a puppy for a companion for another Irish Setter. They have said they would never have another bitch spayed unless necessary for health reasons as they couldn't cope with the incontinence. Once those ovaries are gone you can't put them back.</p>
<p> </p> Oh thats interesting to hear,…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-10:865021:Comment:9056842012-03-10T22:51:07.896ZCharlotte Hoodhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/CharlotteHood
<p>Oh thats interesting to hear, how old was the incontinent girl when she got spayed? because thats a very small risk when spaying a dog after the age of about 1 as the main reason for incontinence problems after spaying is with young girls that havent had a chance to grow fully and mature resulting in the urinary system not being fully developed.</p>
<p>I guess there is still a small chance when mature but it might juts be her age causing that.</p>
<p>Thank you for warning me though :) it…</p>
<p>Oh thats interesting to hear, how old was the incontinent girl when she got spayed? because thats a very small risk when spaying a dog after the age of about 1 as the main reason for incontinence problems after spaying is with young girls that havent had a chance to grow fully and mature resulting in the urinary system not being fully developed.</p>
<p>I guess there is still a small chance when mature but it might juts be her age causing that.</p>
<p>Thank you for warning me though :) it would be awful if that happened to Rosie, she is a bit funny going out at night to loo anyway so that really wouldnt help :/ </p> When I lived at home many yea…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-10:865021:Comment:9055422012-03-10T22:41:58.291ZAngela Robertshttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/AngelaRoberts
<p>When I lived at home many years ago we had an Irish Setter bitch spayed at 11 years old with Pyo and she came through it fine and lived another 2 years. I had to have a bitch spayed in 2000 at 6 1/2 years old as her seasons got closer and closer together until they were only 3 1/2 months apart. I cried all the way to the vets and all the way home. I managed to keep her coat by giving her one incurin tablet daily for 5 years and also a little bit more grooming than before she was spayed. …</p>
<p>When I lived at home many years ago we had an Irish Setter bitch spayed at 11 years old with Pyo and she came through it fine and lived another 2 years. I had to have a bitch spayed in 2000 at 6 1/2 years old as her seasons got closer and closer together until they were only 3 1/2 months apart. I cried all the way to the vets and all the way home. I managed to keep her coat by giving her one incurin tablet daily for 5 years and also a little bit more grooming than before she was spayed. I believe the Incurin also helped to stop her being incontinent at that time but for the last year of her life she leaked urine and so the normal dose of 1 and then 2 tablets a day was given, I am lucky that I go to bed late and would put her out at midnight and my husband who starts work early would put her out at 5am so she didn't have to go more than 5 hours without a wee. If she went longer it was wet dog and wet bedding, urine smelling, yuck, that was the bit I hated the most and the main reason I wouldn't have a bitch spayed just for the sake of it. They hate being wet and smelly and it upsets them plus when they are older they don't like the grooming and bathing and winter time it's harder to constantly have a wet dog and bedding to dry. The only bitch I owned who had mammary tumours was the one who was injected with Delvesterone all of her life and that is a set back with giving that drug. One got quite big and was removed when she was 12, no problems with Pyo though. I wouldn't ever contemplate interfering with a dog or bitch unless absolutely necessary</p> Teresa, I was told it might w…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-10:865021:Comment:9054522012-03-10T20:25:56.627Zeva ciechonskahttp://irishsetters.ning.com/xn/detail/u_0gijg39gsgi1q
<p>Teresa, I was told it might work......shame really because it could have been a good solution. Ah well!!</p>
<p>Teresa, I was told it might work......shame really because it could have been a good solution. Ah well!!</p> I never heard anything about…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-10:865021:Comment:9054512012-03-10T20:15:32.902ZTeresahttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Teresa
<p>I never heard anything about it, and I doubt it helps... =(</p>
<p>No matter when you do it, you'll still be causing hormonal changes, and it's this adjustment that sometimes causes the coat changes. Saddly, setters seem to be one of the most affected breeds!</p>
<p>As far as my experience goes, my girl was spayed precisely between heats (not planned, it just happened that way) and her coat still suffered some changes. It's really anoying to see a great coat become not so great, but you'll…</p>
<p>I never heard anything about it, and I doubt it helps... =(</p>
<p>No matter when you do it, you'll still be causing hormonal changes, and it's this adjustment that sometimes causes the coat changes. Saddly, setters seem to be one of the most affected breeds!</p>
<p>As far as my experience goes, my girl was spayed precisely between heats (not planned, it just happened that way) and her coat still suffered some changes. It's really anoying to see a great coat become not so great, but you'll surely find a way to manage it and still have a girl with an amazing coat!</p> Oh right, i would say Rosie h…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-10:865021:Comment:9053492012-03-10T19:48:56.498ZCharlotte Hoodhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/CharlotteHood
<p>Oh right, i would say Rosie has a flat coat compared to most, my parents saw a 12 yr old IS who was spayed and her coat was very wavy and heavy before and now her coat awful and fluffy but i said her age would of affected her coat as well.</p>
<p>Oh right, i would say Rosie has a flat coat compared to most, my parents saw a 12 yr old IS who was spayed and her coat was very wavy and heavy before and now her coat awful and fluffy but i said her age would of affected her coat as well.</p> Yeah, we usually spay 2 month…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-10:865021:Comment:9053482012-03-10T19:38:32.511ZCharlotte Hoodhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/CharlotteHood
<p>Yeah, we usually spay 2 months after the season has ended as the uterus is to tender when in season so its to risky. But i havent heard it helps with the coat :) but thank you, has anyone else heard that?</p>
<p>Yeah, we usually spay 2 months after the season has ended as the uterus is to tender when in season so its to risky. But i havent heard it helps with the coat :) but thank you, has anyone else heard that?</p> Just would like to add that I…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-10:865021:Comment:9055022012-03-10T18:36:30.805Zeva ciechonskahttp://irishsetters.ning.com/xn/detail/u_0gijg39gsgi1q
<p>Just would like to add that I have been told the best time to spay a bitch to keep the coat is mid way between seasons. Perhaps someone else might enlarge on that. It could be of use to you.</p>
<p>Just would like to add that I have been told the best time to spay a bitch to keep the coat is mid way between seasons. Perhaps someone else might enlarge on that. It could be of use to you.</p>