Why do Australian breeders sell litters not for show or breeding LIMITED REGISTER - Exclusively Setters2024-03-29T11:25:29Zhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/why-do-australian-breeders?commentId=865021%3AComment%3A373296&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noRicky, yes I did do that NSW…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-09-01:865021:Comment:3732962010-09-01T08:34:00.228ZMarina Scotthttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/MarinaScott
Ricky, yes I did do that NSW circuit...it was me! I was on uni holidays & did the shows with my dad. The bitch I showed Ch Derrylare Divine is behind everything I have today. Those were the days...many years & 3 children later I'm still doing it!!!<br />
I wouldn't say no to you either if I had something that was good enough ...<br />
BTW there's a gorgeous bitch that I bred in QLD owned by Lyn &Grant Atkinson. You may have seen her. They don't get to a lot of shows but I'm so happy that they…
Ricky, yes I did do that NSW circuit...it was me! I was on uni holidays & did the shows with my dad. The bitch I showed Ch Derrylare Divine is behind everything I have today. Those were the days...many years & 3 children later I'm still doing it!!!<br />
I wouldn't say no to you either if I had something that was good enough ...<br />
BTW there's a gorgeous bitch that I bred in QLD owned by Lyn &Grant Atkinson. You may have seen her. They don't get to a lot of shows but I'm so happy that they have her. She's possibly better than the bitch I kept but that's fine...they waited for a couple of years to get a daughter of my Keely and they are SO happy with her...and when she had her first litter they sent me a bitch puppy. Could not have been better!<br />
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Marina Ricky, yes I did! I was on un…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-09-01:865021:Comment:3732932010-09-01T08:31:49.759ZMarina Scotthttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/MarinaScott
Ricky, yes I did! I was on uni holidays & did the shows with my dad. The bitch I showed Ch Derrylare Divine is behind everything I have today. Those were the days...many years & 3 children later I'm still doing it!!!<br />
I wouldn't say no to you either if I had something that was good enough ...<br />
BTW there's a gorgeous bitch that I bred in QLD owned by Lyn &Grant Atkinson. You may have seen her. They don't get to a lot of shows but I'm so happy that they have her. She's possibly better…
Ricky, yes I did! I was on uni holidays & did the shows with my dad. The bitch I showed Ch Derrylare Divine is behind everything I have today. Those were the days...many years & 3 children later I'm still doing it!!!<br />
I wouldn't say no to you either if I had something that was good enough ...<br />
BTW there's a gorgeous bitch that I bred in QLD owned by Lyn &Grant Atkinson. You may have seen her. They don't get to a lot of shows but I'm so happy that they have her. She's possibly better than the bitch I kept but that's fine...they waited for a couple of years to get a daughter of my Keely and they are SO happy with her...and when she had her first litter they sent me a bitch puppy. Could not have been better!<br />
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Marina Hey Ricky, perhaps some of th…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-08-30:865021:Comment:3723612010-08-30T01:17:46.282ZCheryl Goreyhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/CherylGorey
Hey Ricky, perhaps some of these breeders with their attitudes of not wanting to sell dogs without restrictions, do deserve to have their lines die with them. Perhaps Australian bred Irish Setters may be better off without the influence of some kennels too!<br />
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I haven't bred a litter for 18 years, but my first consideration in vetting potential homes was to ensure that the pup has the best home possible for it's life time. Showing and obedience activites, a bonus!! When I do breed a litter again,…
Hey Ricky, perhaps some of these breeders with their attitudes of not wanting to sell dogs without restrictions, do deserve to have their lines die with them. Perhaps Australian bred Irish Setters may be better off without the influence of some kennels too!<br />
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I haven't bred a litter for 18 years, but my first consideration in vetting potential homes was to ensure that the pup has the best home possible for it's life time. Showing and obedience activites, a bonus!! When I do breed a litter again, I would be ecstatic to have an enquiry from someone who loves and cares for their dogs, like you and Virginia do. I would know that the dog would be loved and cared for their lifetime. As I said, the fact that you show your dogs is a bonus!!<br />
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I haven't ever bought a pup that had restrictions, but I was prepared to when I put in an order for a girl puppy years ago, to get the line that I wanted, but this never came to fruition.<br />
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I hope you get what you want. Believe me it is worth waiting for the right puppy. I did... waited 5 years and I am so happy with my little girl, Bridget. So glad I waited!! Your correct about none of th…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-08-25:865021:Comment:3708952010-08-25T11:47:33.228Zricky younghttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/rickyyoung
Your correct about none of them replying. I either got no reply or was told weren't happy with dogs they had previously sent to Qld probably because they sent seconds(excuse the pun).Your opinion is most welcome anytime even if I don't agree. Talking and communicating is the best way to strengthen our breed.<br />
Cheers Rick
Your correct about none of them replying. I either got no reply or was told weren't happy with dogs they had previously sent to Qld probably because they sent seconds(excuse the pun).Your opinion is most welcome anytime even if I don't agree. Talking and communicating is the best way to strengthen our breed.<br />
Cheers Rick By the way Marina you have gr…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-08-25:865021:Comment:3708942010-08-25T11:36:43.128Zricky younghttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/rickyyoung
By the way Marina you have great dogs and although I have not contacted you for a pup you are on my shortlist as you have the type of dog I like. Did you ever do the country show circuit in western nsw in1978/9 Peak Hill Parkes Forbes ect ?Cheers Rick
By the way Marina you have great dogs and although I have not contacted you for a pup you are on my shortlist as you have the type of dog I like. Did you ever do the country show circuit in western nsw in1978/9 Peak Hill Parkes Forbes ect ?Cheers Rick I reckon that they (Aussie Br…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-08-25:865021:Comment:3708932010-08-25T11:27:59.842Zricky younghttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/rickyyoung
I reckon that they (Aussie Breeders) might have to look outside their own little world and start encouraging new caretakers of the breed otherwise their bloodlines will die with them and thats what they deserve.<br />
cheers Rick
I reckon that they (Aussie Breeders) might have to look outside their own little world and start encouraging new caretakers of the breed otherwise their bloodlines will die with them and thats what they deserve.<br />
cheers Rick When are people gunna wake up…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-08-25:865021:Comment:3708172010-08-25T09:02:28.041Zricky younghttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/rickyyoung
When are people gunna wake up to themselves and realise that a crossbred is nothing more than a mongrel and nothing less. Labradoodle Spandoodle just don't exist and are nothing more than crossbreds. Poor stupid fools. We have a lady in our community that believes that Labradoodles are a purebred and will soon be a registered breed,the lying puppy-farmers should be taken to court for fraud.A certain channel nine gardener has a lot to answer for in Australia.Now my anger is getting me off the…
When are people gunna wake up to themselves and realise that a crossbred is nothing more than a mongrel and nothing less. Labradoodle Spandoodle just don't exist and are nothing more than crossbreds. Poor stupid fools. We have a lady in our community that believes that Labradoodles are a purebred and will soon be a registered breed,the lying puppy-farmers should be taken to court for fraud.A certain channel nine gardener has a lot to answer for in Australia.Now my anger is getting me off the subject. Hi Carmel
You're right - I'm…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-08-25:865021:Comment:3707572010-08-25T00:48:20.068ZMelinda Auldhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/MelindaAuld
Hi Carmel<br />
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You're right - I'm pretty sure that desexing agreements have no legal standing. I've heard of plenty of people desexing their pups at 8 weeks of age, too - which frankly, I think is crazy! Some people also offer a refund to cover the cost of sterilisation at 6 months if the owners show proof of desexing.<br />
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Eva, I think I said in my post that the cost of puppies (main or limited) is up to the individual breeder. There is no rule - though maybe a guideline from the ANKC in the Code of…
Hi Carmel<br />
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You're right - I'm pretty sure that desexing agreements have no legal standing. I've heard of plenty of people desexing their pups at 8 weeks of age, too - which frankly, I think is crazy! Some people also offer a refund to cover the cost of sterilisation at 6 months if the owners show proof of desexing.<br />
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Eva, I think I said in my post that the cost of puppies (main or limited) is up to the individual breeder. There is no rule - though maybe a guideline from the ANKC in the Code of Ethics (which I am not sure of and will have to check). Some will sell at two different prices - some don't.<br />
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I believe there is a perception here amongst the public that papered and main registered dogs sell for more. Ridiculous, really, given the prices of puppies in pet shops - some selling for more than AUD1000 for a cross-bred "designer dog." As I said before, though - to the general public, who mostly don't care whether the dog is registered on the main or limited register, a breeder telling them their new pup is on the limited register makes no difference. They still get official papers from the ANKC, and for many, they are happy with that.<br />
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There is also still a perception here that only show people bother with all that "stuff" and that if you want to bang two dogs together and call yourself a breeder, you can. I constantly meet people who have got their dog from a "breeder" - who after a quick conversation is easily deduced to be Mrs so-and-so from down the road with a lovely pug cross and the neighbour's labrador... Or better yet, the ones who swear black and blue they have a purebred dog - because one parent was a pure-bred (byb) Goldie and the other was a poodle.<br />
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The overwhelming majority of dogs owned in Australia are cross-bred, not purebred or bred by breeders with any ethics or any affiliations whatsoever. Yes, they may LOVE their dogs, but they are not bound to health-test, and can basically breed and charge what they like. These dogs are often sold as pure, whether they are or not. I have seen someone at my local park with a dog he knows is a Malamute, because his breeder told him it was. The dog is CLEARLY not a malamute. It looks like it has boxer in it, among other breeds...<br />
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I'm not so naiive as to think that all registered breeders are health-testing, either! But at least there is some recourse if they can be proven to have failed in their duty - though *cough* whether the ANKC ever actually does anything, is also in doubt... Hi Eva,
I don't think the pup…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-08-24:865021:Comment:3706732010-08-24T21:39:24.161ZCarmel Stringfellowhttp://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Bridgnorth
Hi Eva,<br />
I don't think the puppies on a Limited Register go for a reduced price. The one time I looked into it I had to have the puppy buyers sign a form agreeing to the pup being put on there. To me it seems a bit of a waste of time as I encourage my puppy buyers not to desex their dogs because of the damage it does to the coat. A fair percentage of them still do however. Breeders of other breeds get buyers to sign agreements saying they will desex at a certain age but I can't see how those…
Hi Eva,<br />
I don't think the puppies on a Limited Register go for a reduced price. The one time I looked into it I had to have the puppy buyers sign a form agreeing to the pup being put on there. To me it seems a bit of a waste of time as I encourage my puppy buyers not to desex their dogs because of the damage it does to the coat. A fair percentage of them still do however. Breeders of other breeds get buyers to sign agreements saying they will desex at a certain age but I can't see how those agreements would hold up in court. Early desexing of pups at 8/10 weeks of age is becoming popular. Probably in direct response to the designer dog craze. I would say the cost of this would be passed onto the puppy buyer.<br />
Carmel Ricky, we have the same probl…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-08-24:865021:Comment:3704262010-08-24T13:32:59.314Zeva ciechonskahttp://irishsetters.ning.com/xn/detail/u_0gijg39gsgi1q
Ricky, we have the same problem with designer dog breeders. These dogs are going for anything between £800-£1200. We also are aware of the problems but maybe they aren't on your scale.........I don't know. However, there are also many loving pet owners and me mustn't tar these people with the same brush. We just need to be vigilant, even to the point of personally vetting homes if we have to. I only breed to keep so have a litter every 2 years. Maybe it is easy for me to say because I only have…
Ricky, we have the same problem with designer dog breeders. These dogs are going for anything between £800-£1200. We also are aware of the problems but maybe they aren't on your scale.........I don't know. However, there are also many loving pet owners and me mustn't tar these people with the same brush. We just need to be vigilant, even to the point of personally vetting homes if we have to. I only breed to keep so have a litter every 2 years. Maybe it is easy for me to say because I only have to deal with 10 prospective homes. I can appreciate if you breed a lot the simple way out is to endorse your registrations, but that doesn't help you or Melinda. It is a great shame and I don't know where you go from here.<br />
I am surprised that there hasn't been much of a response from Australian breeders to your questions. All we can do in the UK is to speculate on your situation.<br />
I still ask how much puppies on the Limited Register go for. Is it for a reduced price?