PIET ROKS JONGENDAG 2009

[eva ciechonska]

Congratulations to all the winning dogs at the Piet Roks Jongendag 2009 show and of course thrilling for Silke who's 7 month old puppy bitch |Coppers Bubble of Joy went BIS at this her debut. Perhaps someone could clarify the award of Best Puppy In Show for me because if Bubble of Joy was BIS beating all dogs and bitches entered that day then surely she must also have been Best Puppy in Show and not the minor puppy dog as reported??? Help here please.

[Melinda Auld]

All classes in Australia, except for baby puppy, can compete for BOB :) Hmm..except veterans, which is usually judged as a special class. At some shows, the veterans must also be entered in the regular classes too (eg Open, Aust-bred), so they can also compete for BOB, providing they win their class.

[Lauwers Willem & Aleksandra]

gosh it is all so strange, as shouldn't all countries under FCI have the same regulations concerning breeding and champion titles as well. I agree with Camilla there are many far to easy to get titles also concerning new International Champion, as with many countries dog come against only him/herself or very poor amount dogs.
Also concerning county champion title, most of them need only few times winning class, and as mentioned before can happen they don't have any other dog in their class. And why not letting Puppy, Junior or Veteran into BOB, many times their quality is far above those being between the limit.
But it is not for us to decide, we only can complain!

[eva ciechonska]

I agree with Camilla. The uk has the simplest system. Our classes start with Minor Puppy (6-9 months), Puppy (9-12 months), Junior (12-18 months) Yearling (18-24 months). Than we have Maiden, Novice, Undergraduate, Postgraduate, Minor Limit, Mid Limit, Limit and Open. All these non-age classes you win yourself out off until you get to Open. Show Champions can only go in the Open Class but cc winners can go in the 3 Limit classes. Then you have Veteran (over 7 years old). You have the same clasification for dogs and bitches. ALL class winners in each sex compete for the cc and reserve cc, including the ShChs. The two winning puppies in each sex compete for best of sex puppy then the best puppy dog competes against the best puppy bitch for best puppy in breed or in show if it is an Irish Setter Show. The 2 cc winners compete against each other for Best of Breed or Best in Show. We have a larger clasification and bigger entries than european shows. The judges write critiques about the first and second placed dogs in each class only, which is different to european shows.

We don't have a show like the Piet Roks Young Dogs show which is uniqe and, as Camilla says, a nice way of introducing people. Belgium also have a young dogs show which I judged in the 1980s and that was great fun as well.

[Camilla Ostman]

It is really a mess with all different systems.Sweden for example although being FCI country do not have the same classes as Europe ,our intermediate class is from 9-15 months, we cannot win CC in junior or veteran classes, nor have we thoose CH titles.Really we cannot even win CAC/CC with out the hunting test just CACIB:S Finland thogh can winCAC/CC, anyone can follow this stupid differences in rules or see any point in them??
And without hunting merits no CH titles unless we travel abroad to win them, stupid system all the way but hey there you are .So sweden do accept titles won abroad or INTCH title / 4 CACIB won in 3 different countries.
England will always be the tuffest country to win a title as the SHCH still compete for the CC, in my point of wiev a good system as I think Europe in many ways is to "easy" to win titles..just my opinion..

Piet Roks day is a good day for the new generation to get into the rings and a fun day for spectators.Rules and classes has nothing to do with the FCI at all.Also I liked the "recreanten/beginners" class when I judge, it gives newcomers a chance to compete in there own class and not having to meet the experienced breeders/handlers , nice way of introducing new people.

[Melinda Auld]

Interesting to see how it's done at different shows all over the world. Here in Australia we have the following classes - Baby Puppy (3-6 months), Minor Puppy (6-9 months), Puppy (9-12 months), Junior (12 - 18 months), Intermediate (18 months - 3 years) and then the adult classes (State-bred, Australian-bred and Open - entries open to any dog aged over 6 months). So we have winners In Show for all those classes. But if, say, the minor puppy won BIS, it would automatically win MPIS as well. Except at some specialty shows, there are no "best opposite" prizes, and no 2nd, 3rd or 4th places in the classes.

[eva ciechonska]

Thanks Mel - I know what you mean and you are right - the stewards absolutley rock!!!

[Mel Hillocks]

And me lived in Germany and competed in The Netherlands but never did quiet get to grips with the system and still don't always when Wim and Aleksandra report ther wins with Jingles and Doliitle! Well done anyway and a lovely day for you all. I have always enjoyed judging abroad but thank God for the stewards!

[eva ciechonska]

Thank you Susan. It is just trying to understand the various different systems. In the uk all class winners from each sex compete for the cc, even the show champions and there is only one form of cc regardless whether the show is a single breed show, a group show or an all breeds show. We also place our dogs 1st - 5th. It is the system I grew up with and so I can understand it. It is interesting to learn about systems in other countries. I have judged overseas many times and have found the stewards absolutely invaliable. Once again, thank you ladies.

[Susan Mogony]

We in Holland seems to make it very difficult, But you are correct with your explanation Eva en Camillia!

[eva ciechonska]

I have just been speaking to Camilla and I think I now understand. The two young puppies compete for best young puppy in show and ditto the two older puppies. So technically because the two winning puppies do not compete against each other there is no Best Puppy in Show. So Chico was just Best Young Puppy. Maybe Rieky should amend her advert. Thank you ladies it is confusing for us Brits because we have a different system where puppies compete for best puppy dog and best puppy bitch THEN the two best of sex puppies compete for BPIS. I have now been sorted.