Irish Red & White Setters

Comment by Silvia Lindner-Rae on May 18, 2008 at 3:41pm

Hello, thank you for the invitation to join the group. We are just back from two shows in Slovakia - our dogs both finished with V1, CAC, CACIB one day or res. CACIB the second day.
Our dogs are Saoisse Red nokomis, the bitch on the picture - a cheeky girl, and our visitor Dalriach Auchindoun.
Silvia&Reddeersetters

Comment by Laurel Oak Setters - Judy B. on May 18, 2008 at 4:15pm

Hi,
Glad to be a member. Here in the United States come January 2009 our beautiful breed will be able to show at dog shows. This will be very exciting. My little Cailin is now 16 months old. She is O'Dobhailien Cailin Alainn JH. We are looking forward to seeing more Irish Red and White Setters at events.
Take care all and talk again soon,
Judy B.

Comment by Christina Phillips on May 18, 2008 at 6:26pm

Hello to all and thanks for the invitation.
No shows or HT this weekend, just trying to enjoy early summer 103F [40 C]....
Waidman's IRWS

Comment by JJ on May 19, 2008 at 8:29am

I finally put my foot in the show ring this weekend. First time for me! Miles was entered in two ARBA shows. Both shows he took Winners Dog and Best of Winners. That helps with the confidence level. It was 103 degree heat and that is just too hot.

Comment by Christina Phillips on May 22, 2008 at 2:08pm

number 14 must be magic number this spring :-))) Second 14 pup litter born this week, this is just wonderful......

Christina

Comment by terry o leary on May 29, 2008 at 1:49pm

Hello to you all its great to see so many IRWS owners on the site.I recently breed my own bitch Bishopmill Bronze Quean.I used CH Dalriach Garryowen because not only has he good looks but is a very promising FT dog.However when I was looking at dogs the one thing I did notice was ,there was not too many dogs which are not related.So is it time for a new outcross programme before the breed becomes too inbred and starts to develop more genetic problems.I hope we can keep this discussion on a scientific and rartonal basis. Terry

Comment by terry o leary on May 29, 2008 at 1:54pm

Sorry that should have been "rational basis' Terry

Comment by Pedro Completo PortoRioSetter on May 30, 2008 at 8:54am

Hi all. Theres a new embassador of the breed in a new Contry,Brasil.
Its "Sebastião do Porto Rio" ,Irws male with two months who travel yesterday to S.Paulo to live with a family who have already an Irish Red Setter.
Best Regards
Pedro Completo
www.portoriosetter.com

Comment by Christina Phillips on May 30, 2008 at 5:56pm

To Terry.
Which males are all related ???? Has anyone been over using ?
I agree, breeders have to be careful, but I would not say that we are in need of outcross, that should alwasy remain as very last resort...
A breed survives on the talents of breeders, not on the quick fix of outcrossing..... I think we had a person here in the USA [cousins] that tried to bypass the hard work and went for outcrossing, no..:-(
The breed has available genepool, but breeders must put aside their persoal issues and accept all pure bred IRWS as equal and make great use of what is available......With global access, semen can come from anywhere these days.......

Comment by terry o leary on May 31, 2008 at 12:18pm

Hello Christina I was speaking about the dogs here in Ireland.No we are not over using any one line but we are running out of different blood lines.If you look at the dogs in the UK you will see the same is happening there.I Prehaps the breeders in the USA are not in the same situation yet but it is only a matter of time before you are.Some people wish to stick their heads in the sand and say all is well in the world.Re the person who went for ourcrossing in the USA is it not a fact that the dogs used in the outcrossing had english setter blood.I would not consider this outcrossing.Here in Ireland Irish Breeders have bred IRWS to IRS for generations it was Mrs Cuddy who explained this to me thirty one years ago.This is not something new and I would not be considering it if I did not feel it was not necessary.This is not a quick fix but a ongoing fact that has to be looked at and responded too.Re global access that is great but were do we find the dogs with different blood lines.I believe there is a new report on genetic diversity in which the KC London was involved which stated that due to the loss of genetic diversity.The KC London would have to consider outcrossing.The Irish Kennel Club and the IRWSC both which have involved in outcrossing programme do not consider outcrossing as a quick fix but rather as a method to preserve the IRWS as healthy and a genetically diverse breed.I know you may find this hard to accept but as the Country of origin it is our duty to preserve the breed.I wish to thank you for your honest opinions. Terry

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