How do you choose buyers for your puppies? - Exclusively Setters2024-03-29T15:22:39Zhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/865021:Topic:13394?feed=yes&xn_auth=noHi! My first setter was a res…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2007-09-01:865021:Comment:137462007-09-01T06:16:14.489Zpia vilppulahttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/minipiawiththegreatbigtabu
Hi! My first setter was a rescue dog and i was lucky to have him for 7 years, then he got old and sick so i had to put him to sleep and that was the worst thing what happend in my life....:(((( (still miss you Nemo...)<br />
He was my first dog and a rescue dog and he was a lovley and kind dog, but he was barking when i left him alone and acting strange in some situations.... (i was working full thime at that time) and i didnt know anything about dogs so i i read about some dogtherapy and then i went…
Hi! My first setter was a rescue dog and i was lucky to have him for 7 years, then he got old and sick so i had to put him to sleep and that was the worst thing what happend in my life....:(((( (still miss you Nemo...)<br />
He was my first dog and a rescue dog and he was a lovley and kind dog, but he was barking when i left him alone and acting strange in some situations.... (i was working full thime at that time) and i didnt know anything about dogs so i i read about some dogtherapy and then i went too see one, just to learn some about dogs and how to read and activate them and that helped cause i started to train him and do lots of things with him and he became such an easy and lovley dog...so easy to handle. A had a dogsitter also, a young boy (scoutboy) who helped me for 4 years before i moved away from Helsinki and he was superb....thank u Timo :))).....<br />
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I was without a dog for one week and i just felt that i cant be without a setter, just had to get one....and then Tabu came....:)))) he is 6 years now and i´ve been i single mother for over 4 years.....i work only 7 hours/day (dont want my son or dog having too long days at home or at kindergarden), i trained Tabu alot when he was young (even fieldtraining) and i still do things with him, we live in a flat, we are taking long walks 3-5 times/week , i have a dogsitter whos helping me when needed and i think that my dog is really enjoying life and that his very happy. Hi is so kind, funny, easy to handle and a great guy to own...<br />
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I was lucky when i started to show him to get to know lots of breeders, very very nice people and lots of them turned out to be really good friends who i can call when needed (any questions at all) so a big "thank you to all my setter-friends" in Finland and even from Sweden! I wanna have 1-2 more setters but i also know how much i can take so i just have to wait until my loving son grows up a bit (his 6 years old now). Dont want anyone to suffer in my small family. Even know that lots of breeders are ready to sell me a dog at anytime...;)))))))...and some have offer me some...<br />
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Mayby i say with this is that single parents or anybody can manage really good, even alone and i think that its depense how you are as a person...My "guys" are the most important for me and i want both of them to be happy, and once you take a dog you have to be ready to do things cause they dont learn if you dont learn them...and give them time...for me my Tabu, and hopefully my "others" dogs in the future are familymembers....and i give time...lots of time cause dogs are important in my life....<br />
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Have a nice weekend......:)))) I dont mind selling to buyers…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2007-08-31:865021:Comment:136312007-08-31T18:23:42.824Zursula wilbyhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/mossby188
I dont mind selling to buyers that have never owned a setter before. In fact I have sold plenty of dogs to people that have never had a dog before. It all depends on the individual. I have found that the absolutly best "new" dog-owners are the ones that used to compete/keep horses but have now given up and want to have something that is easier to handle. Any good rider seems to be a great dog-person as well. Even if this is the first dog they have. I have quite a few ex-horse-owners. Give them…
I dont mind selling to buyers that have never owned a setter before. In fact I have sold plenty of dogs to people that have never had a dog before. It all depends on the individual. I have found that the absolutly best "new" dog-owners are the ones that used to compete/keep horses but have now given up and want to have something that is easier to handle. Any good rider seems to be a great dog-person as well. Even if this is the first dog they have. I have quite a few ex-horse-owners. Give them a try!<br />
As for the leadership being taken over...I feel the same as Kristina.<br />
I always gang up with the old ones.<br />
And if there is a leadershipchange, it is only due to the old dog HANDING it over peacefully. I don´t mind to selling puppi…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2007-08-31:865021:Comment:136262007-08-31T18:08:57.809ZKristina Brannlund Westinhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/ninalina
I don´t mind to selling puppies to someone who never owned a setter before. If I feel that it is an active family and who is serios I dont mind. Personally I wouldn´t allow a younger ones to take over the leadership from an older dog, but that is me and if it´s right or wrong I dont know, but me as a packleader will always support my older dogs.<br />
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I don´t mind to selling puppies to someone who never owned a setter before. If I feel that it is an active family and who is serios I dont mind. Personally I wouldn´t allow a younger ones to take over the leadership from an older dog, but that is me and if it´s right or wrong I dont know, but me as a packleader will always support my older dogs.<br />
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Kristina Great to read your reply Wend…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2007-08-31:865021:Comment:135732007-08-31T09:42:18.383Zursula wilbyhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/mossby188
Great to read your reply Wendy, especially when it comes to the littermates to the same home. Although I seem to take it one step further...:-))<br />
I do compete a lot and work with all my dogs so perhaps our way of looking at things are very similar due to that? I also want all dogs to be PETS first and anything else second. I have not come across it so much in setters but certainly in other breeds like German Shephards etc. People will turn up with one young dog or puppy after the other, until…
Great to read your reply Wendy, especially when it comes to the littermates to the same home. Although I seem to take it one step further...:-))<br />
I do compete a lot and work with all my dogs so perhaps our way of looking at things are very similar due to that? I also want all dogs to be PETS first and anything else second. I have not come across it so much in setters but certainly in other breeds like German Shephards etc. People will turn up with one young dog or puppy after the other, until eventually they find one that is considered good enough for what they want. These "not so good"-dogs normally reach the age of one year before they are discarded and another one is bought.<br />
So my standardquestions to anyone wanting to buy a puppy is first and formost:<br />
1. Have you owned a dog before?<br />
2. What happenend to that dog?<br />
If they tell me some story about how they have had a dog (or several), but could not keep it becourse it jumped on people/chased children/was untrainable....well they dont get a dog from me! This really has turned into a…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2007-08-31:865021:Comment:135692007-08-31T08:42:22.181ZWendy Czarneckihttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Mothership
This really has turned into a terrific discussion! Very interesting observations from many points of view. Here are some of mine: I want every home that I place a puppy in to be a pet home, even the competition homes. I feel that every competition dog, no matter how successful or in how many venues, will spend the majority of its life as someone's pet. I want buyers to commit to the dog itself, not just the competitive aspects. I will never sell to someone who says if the dog doesn't work out,…
This really has turned into a terrific discussion! Very interesting observations from many points of view. Here are some of mine: I want every home that I place a puppy in to be a pet home, even the competition homes. I feel that every competition dog, no matter how successful or in how many venues, will spend the majority of its life as someone's pet. I want buyers to commit to the dog itself, not just the competitive aspects. I will never sell to someone who says if the dog doesn't work out, I'll find it a good home. Never. Every pup that leaves Bright Star does so on a contract promising me the right of first refusal to repurchase the dog at its original price if the buyer is not able or willing to keep it, for whatever reason. I screen my inquiries with 30 years of instincts from placing puppies. For my Irish I want a home with a fenced yard, the dog being indoors at least when the family is home, no single puppy being left home alone for more than four hours at a time. If the house is empty of people longer than four hours, a single puppy must have a dog walker, kid next door, family member or friend who will come in and spend some time with the pup and see to its needs. I prefer that the family be an active one and the dog welcomed to join in all appropriate activities - hiking, jogging, hunting, camping, fishing, swimming, and other such activities as therapy work, visiting institutions, school activities, etc.<br />
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I will also never place littermates in the same household. I have known of several horrible examples of littermates growing to detest each other and not even being able to be crated in the same room. This is a little bit more of an issue with Gordons than with Irish, but it just doesn't work out well. For this reason: within each litter there is a social pecking order - often it is fairly easy to pick out the dominant male and female pups, but every set of two pups will have one dominant (albeit sometimes very slightly) to the other. This relationship is set in the litter, and will dissipate when the pups go to their own homes. A very submissive pup in a litter will often bloom with self confidence in his new surroundings. But pups that travel together to new homes will take their relationship with them. And they will automatically seek out one another in times of stress. This isn't fair to either pup in terms of developing into a well-socialized adult dog.<br />
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I just recently had a couple, who had owned one of my male Irish previously and lost him at age 13 last winter, call and want to purchase two pups from my then current litter. I told them that I would not sell them two littermates, but I happened to have a great solution for them. A very good friend of mine in the St. Louis, MO area happened to have a litter exactly one week older than mine. So I arranged for the couple to take one from my litter and one from the other. Even with virtually no age difference between them, the pups were meeting on neutral territory, with no established relationship, and each was able to bond to the people first and to the other pup secondly. They didn't know each other well enough to seek each other out when comfort was needed, although they will also grow up to be each other's best friend.<br />
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I do think that dogs are much happier when they have another of their own species to associate with. Most of dogs' social interactions are based on age, with the older dog generally taking on the role of leader, unless it is a very submissive and insecure animal - then it might be very happy to let the younger dog lead their pack. I do think the ideal age between dogs is about two years of age, and 6-9 months an absolute minimum.<br />
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Finally, I want to say how honored I was that of our April litter of 13 Irish pups, over half of them went to homes that had owned dogs from us previously. I think that's about the best tribute a breeder can receive! This is an interesting questi…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2007-08-31:865021:Comment:135472007-08-31T06:30:49.339Zursula wilbyhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/mossby188
This is an interesting question! I dont think you will find many responsible swedish breeders of dogs that are of a fair size (and are supposed to be worked with) that will sell two puppies to the same home unless under very specific circumstances. Like it being a big family that has a lot of experiance in dogs, where the one dog will perhaps be trained by one person and the other dog by another.<br />
I think this all goes back to tests done in the statly-dog-training centre.<br />
Each puppy has to be…
This is an interesting question! I dont think you will find many responsible swedish breeders of dogs that are of a fair size (and are supposed to be worked with) that will sell two puppies to the same home unless under very specific circumstances. Like it being a big family that has a lot of experiance in dogs, where the one dog will perhaps be trained by one person and the other dog by another.<br />
I think this all goes back to tests done in the statly-dog-training centre.<br />
Each puppy has to be socialised seperatly, learn to ride in the car on its own, face difficulties ontheir own etc.<br />
We also strongly recommend an age-gap of at least one and half year between dogs. So also there, I would never sell a puppy to someone that has a for instance 9 months old dog and now wants another one.<br />
This of course is very much dependet on the type of dogs! Toydogs are a slightly differant matter, and if the dogs are kept <b>only</b> for show. Or if you have a set up like Lomas perhaps. But talking about an ordinairy family wanting to buy two puppies...that would be (and always is) a <b>no</b> from my side. I know people wanting to get two at the same time have actually got anoyed with me.<br />
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I have only had one single personal experiance (and that in certainly nothing to base this one) but I got a setterbitch from a breeder that was 9 months old. She had spent all her life with her littermate and was VERY social and a super dog whilst at the breeder. (So it looked to me)<br />
I bought her and took her away from her brother and she was a total nervous wreck in my home for a month. She did not dare to go near anyone at all and instead tried to run away as soon as someone arrived.<br />
She totally lacked any confidence in her self.<br />
As I was going to compete and train this dog, it just did not work, so the breeder and I thought it would be better if she went back. Once back with her litterbrother, she quickly became the same as she was when I first saw her. Friendly and social...knowing what I did then, I could see she was at all times just slightly behind her litterbrother. He was very forward and took all the initial contact and then she followed suit...<br />
This is late 70s and my experiance with dogs was more limited.<br />
I hope I would have spotted this today.<br />
I certainly would have taken a halfgrown dog on a seperate walk and seperatly in the car BEFORE agreeing to take it.<br />
But then you live and learn.<br />
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Perhaps it needs a weak dog to end up like this? This is a great discussion. I…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2007-08-31:865021:Comment:135112007-08-31T01:43:30.876ZGenehttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/BeforeShot
This is a great discussion. I am a dog buyer not a seller. I don't think you can judge a potential owner by their living arrangements. I don't envy you all having to evaluate an owner based on a 30 minute meeting. And so many times a life event can change things - a death, marriage, divorce, child, moving, etc.<br />
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Laura - Odin, Danka, and you may live in a flat but you can tell by your photos that they get out and have a blast.<br />
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I have a good sized home but relatively small back yard with a doggy…
This is a great discussion. I am a dog buyer not a seller. I don't think you can judge a potential owner by their living arrangements. I don't envy you all having to evaluate an owner based on a 30 minute meeting. And so many times a life event can change things - a death, marriage, divorce, child, moving, etc.<br />
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Laura - Odin, Danka, and you may live in a flat but you can tell by your photos that they get out and have a blast.<br />
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I have a good sized home but relatively small back yard with a doggy door. I work full-time but have a pet sitter who I have used for probably 10 years. She comes by, walks them, refills water bowls, gives treats and attention, etc. Spends about 30 minutes each day. She charges $10/day and then an extra $2/day for each extra dog. So my weekly bill is $50, $60, or $70 depending on whether I have 1, 2, or 3 dogs. This is why we walk morning and night and then mid-day on weekends to, no matter what the weather. I am sure my neighbors think that I am nuts the amount I walk them.<br />
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Wendy - sounds like you have a great spread for dogs. I wouldn't worry about not having a pond. I want to have something like that one day and have a half-dozen Setters.<br />
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Not exactly related, but something I have found interesting. When I have had rescues, they don't spend a whole lot of time outdoors, even with the doggy door. When I come home, they are usually on my bed, the sectional, or one of the various dog beds. I think this is because they have grown up living outside and being mistreated. The two dogs I have now I got from a breeder who had 10 dogs, all in indoor dog runs during the day. They like to stay outside. It's almost like the are making up for the side of life they didn't have before. I also kept two pups from Rua…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2007-08-31:865021:Comment:135082007-08-31T00:06:08.403ZCarmel Murphyhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Clannrua
I also kept two pups from Rua's first litter(Milo and Megan) and they dont look to each other for guidance and they dont depend on each other! They are equally happy as individuals or as part of the family unit(4 dogs) I just kept their training sessions independent and brought Megan to agility one day and Milo to obedience another day! I often bring one or two dogs for a run on a certain day and another day bring everyone! I find all my dogs look to me first for guidance and each other only…
I also kept two pups from Rua's first litter(Milo and Megan) and they dont look to each other for guidance and they dont depend on each other! They are equally happy as individuals or as part of the family unit(4 dogs) I just kept their training sessions independent and brought Megan to agility one day and Milo to obedience another day! I often bring one or two dogs for a run on a certain day and another day bring everyone! I find all my dogs look to me first for guidance and each other only when I want to sit and relax!! I thought it would be difficult rearing two from the same litter but was pleasantly surprised how easy it was! Maybe the fact I am with my dogs almost 24 hours does help! I think I would be less happy sending two pups to someone who works all day(I think that is asking for trouble!!!) I think in that situation an older dog with a pup is better! >>What I would never ev…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2007-08-30:865021:Comment:135062007-08-30T23:22:38.637ZLoma I. Clarkhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/redfriends
>>What I would never ever do is sell two puppies from the same litter to one family. That is a definite NO here! <<<br />
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Why not? I don't always get puppies from the same litter, sometimes its from two different litters. Is there a law against buying two puppies from the same litter? I don't understand. If its a family there are plenty of people to socialize the pups, the pups have a traveling companion for shows, and they have someone to entertain them during the day, someone to chew…
>>What I would never ever do is sell two puppies from the same litter to one family. That is a definite NO here! <<<br />
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Why not? I don't always get puppies from the same litter, sometimes its from two different litters. Is there a law against buying two puppies from the same litter? I don't understand. If its a family there are plenty of people to socialize the pups, the pups have a traveling companion for shows, and they have someone to entertain them during the day, someone to chew on instead of you.<br />
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>>One of the puppies will always build up its confidence on the other.<<Two puppies have great fun...<br />
But will not form the bond that you want dog-person.<<<<br />
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Interesting theory. I've not found it to be so. In my last two litters I've kept a dog and a bitch. The litter before these last two I kept two boys. None of them is a follower of the other sibling. All have their own personalities, and if they bonded any closer to me they'd be inside of my skin.<br />
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I bought two Welsh Springer Spaniel puppies years ago in the same month, from two different breeders and had no problems with them either.<br />
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Maybe its all in the raising of said puppies.<br />
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Loma Yes there are more and more d…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2007-08-30:865021:Comment:134792007-08-30T21:04:56.143Zursula wilbyhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/mossby188
Yes there are more and more dog-day-care centres in Sweden.<br />
And people can be very imaginative when it comes to solving the 4-hour limit. Taking the dog along to work at times (like Ginger) is one that many people do. I have had quite a few salespeople spending their days on the road and taking the dog along.<br />
There are plenty of people that want to look after a dog (but perhaps dont want the responsibility of owning one themselves) that will take the dog half-day.<br />
There are friends, family and…
Yes there are more and more dog-day-care centres in Sweden.<br />
And people can be very imaginative when it comes to solving the 4-hour limit. Taking the dog along to work at times (like Ginger) is one that many people do. I have had quite a few salespeople spending their days on the road and taking the dog along.<br />
There are plenty of people that want to look after a dog (but perhaps dont want the responsibility of owning one themselves) that will take the dog half-day.<br />
There are friends, family and a number of ways.<br />
Also many familys work shiftwork, many teachers work halftime only, and so it goes on.<br />
I know that dogs can cope with more than four hours alone, but for the first year at least, thats my limit.<br />
And ALL dog-day-care-centres take uncastrated dogs.<br />
Some will not take bitches in heat.<br />
But even that is not always so.<br />
Yes it is expensive to have a dog like this.<br />
But then everything else is as well.<br />
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What I would never ever do is sell two puppies from the same litter to one family. That is a definite NO here! And nothing anyone does that wants to work with their dog.<br />
Two puppies have great fun...<br />
But will not form the bond that you want dog-person.<br />
One of the puppies will always build up its confidence on the other.