blood tracking - Exclusively Setters2024-03-28T22:05:35Zhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/blood-tracking?commentId=865021%3AComment%3A410383&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI am a field trial judge and…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-11-08:865021:Comment:4135372010-11-08T12:17:30.887ZChristiane Lohmannhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/HorridoChristiane
I am a field trial judge and a bloodtrack judge. We hunt with shorthair Dachshund, IS and IRWS and we breed them as well. In theory it is right not to introduce a dogs nose with ground scent only. In practise I would say, that a clever and passionate dog will easily learn what to do best. Sure pheasants are running..but a good dog will learn to catch the body scent. Working on blood track with a pointer or setter is irritating for continental breed owners, as they tend to work with high head.…
I am a field trial judge and a bloodtrack judge. We hunt with shorthair Dachshund, IS and IRWS and we breed them as well. In theory it is right not to introduce a dogs nose with ground scent only. In practise I would say, that a clever and passionate dog will easily learn what to do best. Sure pheasants are running..but a good dog will learn to catch the body scent. Working on blood track with a pointer or setter is irritating for continental breed owners, as they tend to work with high head. This time not searching for body scent, but just not inhaling every bit with the nose close to the ground. If blood is rare and the track is difficult, they will also begin to lower the nose.<br/>
My friend started her 10 months old IRWS Lohmann's Basior on bloodtrack test from German Government and he was highly praised by the judges and passed with success. He worked calm (ok), concentrated (that is nice) and ... with a low nose. Fellow judges asked, why that ? I told them that he is too young to do it otherwise. But I have no doubt that next spring he will do just as nice in the fields with high head, looking to get body scent of birds. I think that whe all agree th…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-11-05:865021:Comment:4128272010-11-05T19:47:43.982ZWim Dokterhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/WimDokter
I think that whe all agree that you've got to make youre own choise in this. Other dogs show's us that it's possible to be the top in all the work. Field trial, bloodtracking and apport.<br />
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I do think also that it's better to waite untill the dog is a bitt older to start bloodtracking if you wise to compete at field trials.
I think that whe all agree that you've got to make youre own choise in this. Other dogs show's us that it's possible to be the top in all the work. Field trial, bloodtracking and apport.<br />
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I do think also that it's better to waite untill the dog is a bitt older to start bloodtracking if you wise to compete at field trials. OK, I take it all back...:-)…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-11-02:865021:Comment:4107302010-11-02T16:12:12.544Zursula wilbyhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/mossby188
OK, I take it all back...:-)<br />
They <b>CAN</b> do both...<br />
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But I suppose that we have been indoctrinated (hope I got the spelling correct) by the swedish setter-club (SISK).<br />
In Sweden you can compete in bloodtracking and make up a champion.<br />
The breed of dog is not specified and this title can be won by a German Shepherd as well as by a miniture Poodle.<br />
But <b>NOT</b> by an Irish setter!<br />
It is not the kennelclub that stops us setter-owners, but the breed-club!<br />
No way should a setter go with its…
OK, I take it all back...:-)<br />
They <b>CAN</b> do both...<br />
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But I suppose that we have been indoctrinated (hope I got the spelling correct) by the swedish setter-club (SISK).<br />
In Sweden you can compete in bloodtracking and make up a champion.<br />
The breed of dog is not specified and this title can be won by a German Shepherd as well as by a miniture Poodle.<br />
But <b>NOT</b> by an Irish setter!<br />
It is not the kennelclub that stops us setter-owners, but the breed-club!<br />
No way should a setter go with its nose down!<br />
Ever...<br />
And if setter-owners want to compete, so be it!<br />
But will they (after all the work that has gone in to this) get the title?<br />
<b>NO!</b> I'm afraid if we all thought…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-11-02:865021:Comment:4106522010-11-02T13:08:27.482ZSusan Stonehttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/SwissSusan
I'm afraid if we all thought like that there would be no point in having setters at all in most countries. Thankfully dogs are very capable of differentiating between jobs providing they are tought right. Michaela mentions how she started first with field work and then continued with tracking work.<br></br>
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As you know I work my dog in the field. But during the long months when I can not train him in the field we actually train for Search & Rescue of humans in the local forests. I've…
I'm afraid if we all thought like that there would be no point in having setters at all in most countries. Thankfully dogs are very capable of differentiating between jobs providing they are tought right. Michaela mentions how she started first with field work and then continued with tracking work.<br/>
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As you know I work my dog in the field. But during the long months when I can not train him in the field we actually train for Search & Rescue of humans in the local forests. I've never experienced any kind of difficulty with my dog not knowing the difference. Margaret, I'm sure you are ri…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-11-02:865021:Comment:4106502010-11-02T13:01:42.532ZSusan Stonehttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/SwissSusan
Margaret, I'm sure you are right IF we all had grouse on our doorstep;-)) But I'm afraid the next grouse from my home in Switzerland is roughly 1000 kilometres away (apart from the mountain type that are protected). So I will stick to pheasant as they are practically on my doorstep (ie only 160 kilometres across the border in France). As to partridge, very rare indeed.<br />
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So if I wanted to do any kind of hunting here in Switzerland the only hunting my setters could be used for would be blood…
Margaret, I'm sure you are right IF we all had grouse on our doorstep;-)) But I'm afraid the next grouse from my home in Switzerland is roughly 1000 kilometres away (apart from the mountain type that are protected). So I will stick to pheasant as they are practically on my doorstep (ie only 160 kilometres across the border in France). As to partridge, very rare indeed.<br />
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So if I wanted to do any kind of hunting here in Switzerland the only hunting my setters could be used for would be blood tracking for wounded deer. I agree with you, they CAN do…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-11-02:865021:Comment:4106052010-11-02T10:39:56.917ZMargaret Sierakowskihttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/MargaretSierakowski
I agree with you, they CAN do both, but better to start with birds and get the high head/air scenting pattern established, then do the other things later<br />
And I still think, if one wants a really first class grouse/snipe/woodcock/partridge dog, its better to keep a setter away from following ground scent.<br />
If one wants a versatile hunting dog, then why not buy a continental versatile hunting breed, rather than a setter?
I agree with you, they CAN do both, but better to start with birds and get the high head/air scenting pattern established, then do the other things later<br />
And I still think, if one wants a really first class grouse/snipe/woodcock/partridge dog, its better to keep a setter away from following ground scent.<br />
If one wants a versatile hunting dog, then why not buy a continental versatile hunting breed, rather than a setter? I think it is better not to t…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-11-02:865021:Comment:4106042010-11-02T10:32:45.535ZMargaret Sierakowskihttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/MargaretSierakowski
I think it is better not to train setters on pheasants , as they run on the ground and the dogs get into the habit of following the ground scent to find the bird. Better to train on grouse and introduce them to pheasants later. With wild grouse, the dogs have to learn to hunt using airscent<br />
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I also have bad problems with rabbits here, as the valley is rabbit infested, and from an early age the puppies start to follow rabbit scent on the ground which encourages them to run with a low head<br />
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I think it is better not to train setters on pheasants , as they run on the ground and the dogs get into the habit of following the ground scent to find the bird. Better to train on grouse and introduce them to pheasants later. With wild grouse, the dogs have to learn to hunt using airscent<br />
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I also have bad problems with rabbits here, as the valley is rabbit infested, and from an early age the puppies start to follow rabbit scent on the ground which encourages them to run with a low head<br />
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And the deer come down off the hills at night to find grass and water in the valley, they also leave ground scent which the dogs follow, more problems! This autumn I started at JS p…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-11-02:865021:Comment:4105432010-11-02T10:11:42.627ZMichaelahttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Michaela
This autumn I started at JS paar (like GT) with my male Lohmanns Milan and we won with 18 points excellent and CAC. Four weeks later we started at a versatile hunting test (VGP - german master test for versatile hunting dogs) among other things with blood tracking overnight and he wons again this VGP as best working dog with best notes in fields and in blood tracking. Two weeks later (last Friday) we started at Herbstjagdsuche (HJS like GT) and won again this trial at 1st prize.<br></br>
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This autumn I started at JS paar (like GT) with my male Lohmanns Milan and we won with 18 points excellent and CAC. Four weeks later we started at a versatile hunting test (VGP - german master test for versatile hunting dogs) among other things with blood tracking overnight and he wons again this VGP as best working dog with best notes in fields and in blood tracking. Two weeks later (last Friday) we started at Herbstjagdsuche (HJS like GT) and won again this trial at 1st prize.<br/>
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It is possible to work in a versatile way with your Setter. But I think ist is better to teach him in fields (as also retrieving and water) the first 2 years and than later (2 years and older) to teach him at blood tracking and other versatile things.<br/>
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In germany setters are often used as versatile working hunting dogs.<br/>
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A Setter DON'T HAVE TO DO such versatile things like blood tracking or retrieving a fox - but he CAN do this ;-) My older dog know's very well…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-11-02:865021:Comment:4104022010-11-02T09:37:21.113ZWim Dokterhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/WimDokter
My older dog know's very well the differents.<br />
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I once trained blocktracking and at the way back at home I saw a fasant. I stopt the car and let the dog out.<br />
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This was just after whe stoped training. And she did excactly know what to do.<br />
You train the dog so she know's when you're leaving home what you going to do!!
My older dog know's very well the differents.<br />
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I once trained blocktracking and at the way back at home I saw a fasant. I stopt the car and let the dog out.<br />
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This was just after whe stoped training. And she did excactly know what to do.<br />
You train the dog so she know's when you're leaving home what you going to do!! Oh I know, its fatal to get t…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-11-02:865021:Comment:4103832010-11-02T08:39:13.974Zursula wilbyhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/mossby188
Oh I know, its fatal to get them working this way if you want them to hunt as a bird-dog.<br />
On the other hand I have never had that ambition, so there was no problem for me personally.<br />
The problem with setters is that they normally dont lend themselves to tracking in the same way other breeds would.<br />
And that is excactly for the reason you mentioned...their normal working-pattern...head up high and going for air-borne scent rather than sticking their nose in the ground.<br />
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But if you dont hunt (due…
Oh I know, its fatal to get them working this way if you want them to hunt as a bird-dog.<br />
On the other hand I have never had that ambition, so there was no problem for me personally.<br />
The problem with setters is that they normally dont lend themselves to tracking in the same way other breeds would.<br />
And that is excactly for the reason you mentioned...their normal working-pattern...head up high and going for air-borne scent rather than sticking their nose in the ground.<br />
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But if you dont hunt (due to lack of ground etc) you need them to work in another way, I feel.