Coat changes after spaying - any thoughts? - Exclusively Setters2024-03-29T00:43:16Zhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/coat-changes-after-spaying-any-thoughts?feed=yes&xn_auth=noI chose a laparoscopic spey f…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2015-05-03:865021:Comment:11538582015-05-03T02:19:45.987ZFinding_Beauhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/HammerBeau
<p>I chose a laparoscopic spey for Misty because it was much less invasive and only involved 2 small incisions to remove the ovaries. For anyone who is interested, this is a link to an article about this type of "keyhole" surgery on the Mercola website: <a href="http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/04/14/ovariectomy-safer-alternative-to-pet-spaying.aspx" target="_blank">Laparoscopic Ovariectomy: A Safer Alternative to Traditional Spaying</a>. Unfortunately for Misty…</p>
<p>I chose a laparoscopic spey for Misty because it was much less invasive and only involved 2 small incisions to remove the ovaries. For anyone who is interested, this is a link to an article about this type of "keyhole" surgery on the Mercola website: <a href="http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/04/14/ovariectomy-safer-alternative-to-pet-spaying.aspx" target="_blank">Laparoscopic Ovariectomy: A Safer Alternative to Traditional Spaying</a>. Unfortunately for Misty because she has an extremely aggressive form of mammary cancer, she then had to undergo surgery to remove mammary glands. As I have posted previously I have never noticed a deterioration in the coat of any of my English Setters after desexing/speying. With Misty, her coat definitely changed but what was even worse, far worse, was the impact on her physical body from the trauma of the surgery. Almost 12 months later, Misty's coat has improved. Everyone compliments her on her beautiful coat. My major concern will always be her health.</p>
<p>It is difficult to say but based on my experience I would recommend this type of surgery for the benefit of the female dog but the impact on the coat is difficult to predict. I do believe that the diet can help the coat. As for male dogs, this is only my personal opinion but I would never consider desexing the dog unless this was required for a health problem like a testicular tumour. Susan</p>
<p></p> Has anyone tried a vasectomy…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2015-05-01:865021:Comment:11540852015-05-01T11:52:52.253Zrosie beerehttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/rosiebeere
Has anyone tried a vasectomy or ovariectomy?<br />
More vets are coming on side with this now.<br />
Surely this would help save the coat.<br />
Rosie
Has anyone tried a vasectomy or ovariectomy?<br />
More vets are coming on side with this now.<br />
Surely this would help save the coat.<br />
Rosie Molly was a rescue for us and…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2015-04-07:865021:Comment:11532562015-04-07T20:30:43.856ZSherry Millerhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/SherryMiller
<p>Molly was a rescue for us and came already neutered. Orange,fluffy</p>
<p>c<span style="font-size: 13px;">oat with a funny texture seems to occur mostly on her rear legs</span></p>
<p>(mats easily and is the very devil to keep silky). Two trips a year to her </p>
<p>Beauty spa keep both of us happy. We add oil, yourgurt ,<span style="font-size: 13px;">etc.to her diet.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13px;">Molly didn't seem to loose much in way of being active…</span></p>
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<p>Molly was a rescue for us and came already neutered. Orange,fluffy</p>
<p>c<span style="font-size: 13px;">oat with a funny texture seems to occur mostly on her rear legs</span></p>
<p>(mats easily and is the very devil to keep silky). Two trips a year to her </p>
<p>Beauty spa keep both of us happy. We add oil, yourgurt ,<span style="font-size: 13px;">etc.to her diet.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13px;">Molly didn't seem to loose much in way of being active</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13px;">(12-15 months old when she arrived home) so perhaps age at spaying</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13px;">might affect energy or moods? We were just thrilled to have an </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13px;">Irish Setter in our home again that spay coat or not we fell head over</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13px;">heels for our Molly. :)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13px;">Sherry and Molly</span></p> Which dry food was this pleas…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2015-04-07:865021:Comment:11532402015-04-07T11:34:52.937ZJean Khttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/JeanKelly
<p>Which dry food was this please.</p>
<p>Which dry food was this please.</p> Coat King is fantastic - keep…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-11-22:865021:Comment:8495052011-11-22T20:51:23.399ZMaggie Smithhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/MaggieSmith
<p>Coat King is fantastic - keeps my Rubys coat in check. She is not the girl she was coat wise but a mammary tumour dictated that spaying was the only option. I would not have had her spayed her otherwise.</p>
<p>Coat King is fantastic - keeps my Rubys coat in check. She is not the girl she was coat wise but a mammary tumour dictated that spaying was the only option. I would not have had her spayed her otherwise.</p> I agree that unless there is…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-11-22:865021:Comment:8492152011-11-22T16:43:12.199ZTeresahttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Teresa
<p>I agree that unless there is some kind of risk with your dog, there is no reason to spay your bitch, or neuter a dog.</p>
<p>I can also tell you that I have one neuterd male and two spayed females, and before the op, all the risks linked to it were very clearly explained to me - coat changes, weight issues, incontinence, infection, mood changes and so on! At least here, vets don't dare not to explain all the risks to their clients. Of course they also put in a lot of questionable benefits,…</p>
<p>I agree that unless there is some kind of risk with your dog, there is no reason to spay your bitch, or neuter a dog.</p>
<p>I can also tell you that I have one neuterd male and two spayed females, and before the op, all the risks linked to it were very clearly explained to me - coat changes, weight issues, incontinence, infection, mood changes and so on! At least here, vets don't dare not to explain all the risks to their clients. Of course they also put in a lot of questionable benefits, with that I agree!</p>
<p>When it comes to coat changes, I'm not experienced, but I believe setters have it worse, specially the irish, because the color change becomes very obvious. You can only notice the change in Pitanga, my other two are black and white and I can't honestly tell the diference!</p> Hi we had our baby spayed in…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-11-22:865021:Comment:8488352011-11-22T13:48:29.644ZCatherine-Marie & Tiffanyhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/WilliamCatherineMarie
<p>Hi we had our baby spayed in May this year she also is 5 years old and we have found exactly the same problems she used to be so lively and now doesn't even seem to enjoy her walks as much as she used to we also would be happy to find out what others have to say, by the way we never chose to have Tiffany spayed it was our vet here in France who decided it was the best course of action following a womb infection.</p>
<p>Love & Best wishes to all</p>
<p>Catherine-Marie </p>
<p>Hi we had our baby spayed in May this year she also is 5 years old and we have found exactly the same problems she used to be so lively and now doesn't even seem to enjoy her walks as much as she used to we also would be happy to find out what others have to say, by the way we never chose to have Tiffany spayed it was our vet here in France who decided it was the best course of action following a womb infection.</p>
<p>Love & Best wishes to all</p>
<p>Catherine-Marie </p> Brenda, We have had many a he…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-11-22:865021:Comment:8486112011-11-22T10:53:18.942Zeva ciechonskahttps://irishsetters.ning.com/xn/detail/u_0gijg39gsgi1q
<p>Brenda, We have had many a heated debate on this topic. </p>
<p>May I say that in nearly 40 years I have never had a pyo or breast/testicular cancer in any of my Irish Setters and not all my bitches have had litters. Out of all the dogs I have bred who have gone on to pet homes only around 5% have developed any of the conditions. I have owned dogs all my life, both pedigree and crossbred and have never had pyometra. Others, like Howard, have been unlucky. I would say generally that if a…</p>
<p>Brenda, We have had many a heated debate on this topic. </p>
<p>May I say that in nearly 40 years I have never had a pyo or breast/testicular cancer in any of my Irish Setters and not all my bitches have had litters. Out of all the dogs I have bred who have gone on to pet homes only around 5% have developed any of the conditions. I have owned dogs all my life, both pedigree and crossbred and have never had pyometra. Others, like Howard, have been unlucky. I would say generally that if a bitch has problems with her seasons, gets infections, they last longer than usual then there is a good chance she could develop a pyometra in later life and in this instance every season must be carefully monitored. On the whole healthy bitches can go through life without any problems. </p>
<p>People who do not breed generally neuter for convenience. Vets encourage this and feed on the fear of pyometra etc in later life if they don't. I have had the sxperience many a time.</p>
<p>With respect to coat change after neutering........yes! A castrated dog or spayed bitch will not have the same quality or condition of coat. This varies from slightly dull to full blown orange and linty. The dog can look like a fur ball. It is much harder to maintain. Others have already posted about oils in the diet, stripping, plucking etc. No vet will tell you about the hormonal and coat changes after neutering nor will they tell you about the increased risk of incontinence.</p>
<p>I personally do not believe in interfering with nature. We don't do it in humans why should we do it in dogs. However if there is a an underlying health problem then you must neuter. The life of the dog is more important than a glossy coat. </p> The risk is for females in ge…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-11-22:865021:Comment:8486082011-11-22T10:10:00.665ZTeresahttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Teresa
<p>The risk is for females in general, and it is trully a big risk, specially if they have a closed pyometra! On an open pyometra, at least you'll have a nasty looking fluid/paste running down from the bitche's vagina, giving you a clue there is something very wrong - but it is still bad!</p>
<p>I only have two irirsh bitches, and only one is spayed, and her coat did change! Can't tell you if I was unlucky or if it is more common, but this was the first breed I had were the coat is a concern…</p>
<p>The risk is for females in general, and it is trully a big risk, specially if they have a closed pyometra! On an open pyometra, at least you'll have a nasty looking fluid/paste running down from the bitche's vagina, giving you a clue there is something very wrong - but it is still bad!</p>
<p>I only have two irirsh bitches, and only one is spayed, and her coat did change! Can't tell you if I was unlucky or if it is more common, but this was the first breed I had were the coat is a concern when spaying the bitch! More expereinced setter owners will give you a better answer concerning coat changes!</p> Is that risk more so in Irish…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-11-22:865021:Comment:8485822011-11-22T03:07:18.428ZBrenda Bernathttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/BrendaBernat
<p>Is that risk more so in Irish Setters or just females in general? And how common is this coat change in the Irish? </p>
<p>Is that risk more so in Irish Setters or just females in general? And how common is this coat change in the Irish? </p>