" Could our setters suffer a genetic disaster" - Exclusively Setters2024-03-28T16:13:37Zhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/could-our-setters-suffer-a-genetic-disaster?x=1&id=865021%3ATopic%3A1019034&feed=yes&xn_auth=noCan't explain the Assured Bre…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2013-01-22:865021:Comment:10304112013-01-22T10:32:01.830ZAnn Millingtonhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Vollut
<p>Can't explain the Assured Breeders exactly, Finn, but the principle is this:</p>
<p>There are a number of 'Rules' that members agree to comply with - regarding the welfare of their dogs, including feeding, housing, exercise AND health testing, also puppy rearing and choice of home and all sorts of things to do with the dog that escape me at this moment (you can see all the rules etc in the KC Website.)</p>
<p>At a Breed Health Conference a couple of years ago, the A B Scheme was closely…</p>
<p>Can't explain the Assured Breeders exactly, Finn, but the principle is this:</p>
<p>There are a number of 'Rules' that members agree to comply with - regarding the welfare of their dogs, including feeding, housing, exercise AND health testing, also puppy rearing and choice of home and all sorts of things to do with the dog that escape me at this moment (you can see all the rules etc in the KC Website.)</p>
<p>At a Breed Health Conference a couple of years ago, the A B Scheme was closely examined by the delegates and many questions asked - particularly regarding the monotoring of members. There is a team of 'Inspectors' in the regions of the country who visit members to confirm that they are fulfilling the aims of the ABS. Those found wanting are advised how to correct their failings and are then revisited, unannounced, to see if improvements have been made. Anyone falling short of the accepted aims of ABS are thrown out. We asked if anyone HAD been thrown out. The answer was yes!</p>
<p>However the Assured Breeders Scheme is voluntary and there are breeders who 'know better', 'do all those things anyway', 'don't want to join' etc.</p>
<p>The KC is basically only a register for dogs whose lineage is documented into 'Breeds'. It tries to gather breed people together, but that is up to individuals and each individual has his/her own ideas and opinions - and acts according to them. The only hope is the Breed Club. It is up to the Breed Club to deal with problems and to be proactive rather than reactive. This again depends on individuals - individuals who will run Breed Clubs, those who will support them and those who will act in the interest of the breed.</p>
<p>Get this working and the KC can be approached to establish a proactive system eg. as in Irish Setter CLAD and IRWS CLAD and vWD - to the benefit of these breeds. </p> Unfortunately Mate Select and…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2013-01-22:865021:Comment:10307132013-01-22T10:04:06.751ZAnn Millingtonhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Vollut
<p>Unfortunately Mate Select and all such things on computers are subject to human failings and insufficient data. The one saving grace is that anyone expecting to see their dog's info, would swiftly inform the KC that the information was incorrect and it would be corrected. I think there is a statement to this effect.</p>
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<p>Unfortunately Mate Select and all such things on computers are subject to human failings and insufficient data. The one saving grace is that anyone expecting to see their dog's info, would swiftly inform the KC that the information was incorrect and it would be corrected. I think there is a statement to this effect.</p>
<p> </p> Angela, I think we are making…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2013-01-20:865021:Comment:10199422013-01-20T12:45:30.079ZCheryl Goreyhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/CherylGorey
<p>Angela, I think we are making a difference and the breed is moving ahead with every new bit of research and DNA test that becomes available. Breeders and pet owners were quick to access the DNA tests for rcd4 last year and I'm sure if/and when the tests become available for the much more serious conditions of Epilepsy; Bloat and MO, the access to the tests will be just as swift if not more so! Unfortunately it is not easy and it is not a quick process.</p>
<p>A health database is an…</p>
<p>Angela, I think we are making a difference and the breed is moving ahead with every new bit of research and DNA test that becomes available. Breeders and pet owners were quick to access the DNA tests for rcd4 last year and I'm sure if/and when the tests become available for the much more serious conditions of Epilepsy; Bloat and MO, the access to the tests will be just as swift if not more so! Unfortunately it is not easy and it is not a quick process.</p>
<p>A health database is an excellent suggestion, but instead of targeting breeders, it should be a listing, similar to the one on SEIC for the rcd-4 results. The results speak for themselves. A health database would need to be run by a controlling body and therefore becomes a problem to be a worldwide database, but I believe there are already good sources in some countries and all countries around the world need to embrace this concept. Unfortunately nothing is available in Australia!!!</p>
<p>The controlling body needs to have a legislative process to ensure that all breeders and owners sign that results will be posted in the public domain. I believe this is what has occurred in UK with the rcd4 results. This is such a litigious society we have, so it all needs to be done correctly. I have heard of threats by some that any defamatory comments made against their dogs will cause legal action. If this is true, then this does not help the cause to improve the health of the breed but only hinders it and therefore is possibly why all things are not always discussed in open forums. However, you can be assured things are being discussed.</p>
<p>So, we are again, back to the basic requirements of open and honest communication between all custodians of the breed, the breeder, the stud dog owner, the pet owner (most breeders would put themselves into the category of a pet owner first and foremost). </p>
<p>The continual "beat-up" of breeders and showlines does nothing to help the issue as all breeders are custodians of the breed and ultimately responsible for making the right decisions to keep this breed as healthy as possible. This responsibility comes with much heartache and deliberation and for most breeders is not taken lightly. </p>
<p>This doesn’t give everyone license to make derogatory remarks and dump all breeders into the same basket. The same can be said for puppy buyers as we all know, some people shouldn't be allowed to own a dog. If there is such a database to grade and report on breeders, then perhaps there should be a database for breeders to report irresponsible puppy owners as well so we can keep a full picture of the issues raised.</p>
<p>We need to forget about pointscoring which type (UK; USA or Field……..) is the healthiest!! This is not helping the cause of the general health of the breed. I have heard of health issues within all types of this breed and we need to all take a step forward together so that we can improve the overall health of all Irish Setters around the world.</p> Supported!tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2013-01-20:865021:Comment:10199972013-01-20T01:22:40.773ZHenk ten Kloosterhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Setterset
<p>Supported!</p>
<p>Supported!</p> Georgina your long well thoug…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2013-01-20:865021:Comment:10199942013-01-20T01:18:31.726ZRhonda Fisherhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/RhondaFisher
<p>Georgina your long well thought out replies to subjects seem to strike a nerve with some recently returned ES members. I have enjoyed reading them and the conversations on health that they have helped generate. In the past a little gang followed the pattern on misrepresenting members replies, turning them into the opposite of what had been replied. When the member then tried to correct them their weird game would get personal and continue. Increasingly frustrating and off the topic, which…</p>
<p>Georgina your long well thought out replies to subjects seem to strike a nerve with some recently returned ES members. I have enjoyed reading them and the conversations on health that they have helped generate. In the past a little gang followed the pattern on misrepresenting members replies, turning them into the opposite of what had been replied. When the member then tried to correct them their weird game would get personal and continue. Increasingly frustrating and off the topic, which was too honest for their comfort. 5 of this group used to rotate at having turns. Mel would remember those days well. Thankfully when one member was asked to leave the group and the behaviour stopped. Recognise this ploy for shutting down useful information and continue your contributions about our lovely breed please. We do not want this behaviour to re establish itself and by staying you will help to say no thanks.</p> Georgina.....please don't lea…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2013-01-20:865021:Comment:10199862013-01-20T00:33:51.910ZTorie Lancasterhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/TorieLancaster
<p>Georgina.....please don't leave!</p>
<p>Why should you, you have been treated in a very cold & callous manner by a few members who should be ashamed of themselves but I doubt it somehow!</p>
<p>Georgina.....please don't leave!</p>
<p>Why should you, you have been treated in a very cold & callous manner by a few members who should be ashamed of themselves but I doubt it somehow!</p> Michelle, this was a red herr…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2013-01-20:865021:Comment:10198982013-01-20T00:28:17.959ZGeorginahttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Georgina
<p>Michelle, this was a red herring by Mrs Hillocks, there was never an intent on my part to suggest such a thing, Mrs Hillocks has tried my patience beyond reasonable and I am retiring from the site and when she opens her door one and sees not one Irish Setter, she will wonder if she could have been more friendly and co operative with Henk and likeminded people.</p>
<p>Thank you for replying anyway. Good luck for the future.</p>
<p>Michelle, this was a red herring by Mrs Hillocks, there was never an intent on my part to suggest such a thing, Mrs Hillocks has tried my patience beyond reasonable and I am retiring from the site and when she opens her door one and sees not one Irish Setter, she will wonder if she could have been more friendly and co operative with Henk and likeminded people.</p>
<p>Thank you for replying anyway. Good luck for the future.</p> Mmm, you asked to be friends…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2013-01-20:865021:Comment:10197492013-01-20T00:20:59.119ZGeorginahttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Georgina
<p>Mmm, you asked to be friends with me, yikes to be associated with you would be very bad for my reputation and my health. Crikey me, no thanks.</p>
<p>Mmm, you asked to be friends with me, yikes to be associated with you would be very bad for my reputation and my health. Crikey me, no thanks.</p> Removed by staff.tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2013-01-20:865021:Comment:10198442013-01-20T00:18:42.456ZGeorginahttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Georgina
<p>Removed by staff.</p>
<p>Removed by staff.</p> 100% clear!tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2013-01-20:865021:Comment:10198972013-01-20T00:08:58.784ZHenk ten Kloosterhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Setterset
<p>100% clear!</p>
<p>100% clear!</p>