Does greater inbreeding always mean poorer health? - Exclusively Setters2024-03-28T19:27:42Zhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/does-greater-inbreeding-always-mean-poorer-health?commentId=865021%3AComment%3A778771&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI started this discussion aft…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-01:865021:Comment:9019822012-03-01T16:05:25.887ZAnn Millingtonhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Vollut
<p>I started this discussion after the whole UK IRWS COI was recorded on the db and observed that the overall picture of COIs had not changed significantly over 30 years. In the beginning, of necessity it was either breed close or don't breed at all - we only had the Irish imports to breed from. Aware of the dangers of inbreeding the Genetic Sub-Committee was set up with the help of Gilbert Leighton-Boyce and Professor Geoffrey Witt.</p>
<p>The two life-threatening hereditary diseases were…</p>
<p>I started this discussion after the whole UK IRWS COI was recorded on the db and observed that the overall picture of COIs had not changed significantly over 30 years. In the beginning, of necessity it was either breed close or don't breed at all - we only had the Irish imports to breed from. Aware of the dangers of inbreeding the Genetic Sub-Committee was set up with the help of Gilbert Leighton-Boyce and Professor Geoffrey Witt.</p>
<p>The two life-threatening hereditary diseases were quickly dealt with, but as I have said before not enough cases of other conditions have been reported to make a research project possible (except PPC which is on-going - and not life-threatening.)</p>
<p>I have always believed that inbreeding is a chancey policy, only to be undertaken with care by those who know a great deal about the breed and all the dogs in the background.... and that it is imperrative to 'go out' every few generations. That has been the mantra for decades (centuries even) Inbreeding fixes desirable qualities and equally fixes undesirable ones so I was intrigued that more and widespread adverse conditions have not appeared - and sought the opinions of ES</p>
<p>My personal view is 'not to inbreed and to create as much breed diversity as possible'.</p>
<p>The Boxer piece on PDE2 highlighted the problem with inbreeding very well and I hope will spark some recognition among breeders.... who are still VERY difficult to convince....</p>
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<p> </p> Mel,
In this instance, I thin…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-01:865021:Comment:9019762012-03-01T14:22:08.565ZCatherine Carterhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/CatherineCarter
Mel,<br />
In this instance, I think we can cope and will not get too confused! Others seem to have a need for older discussions to be reopened.....so why not see what they would like to say about the above subject ?
Mel,<br />
In this instance, I think we can cope and will not get too confused! Others seem to have a need for older discussions to be reopened.....so why not see what they would like to say about the above subject ? Mel
Relax Let people contribu…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-01:865021:Comment:9016552012-03-01T11:52:35.871ZRhonda Fisherhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/RhondaFisher
<p>Mel</p>
<p>Relax Let people contribute where they may. People are adding to the post and it has not been closed by Ann.</p>
<p>Mel</p>
<p>Relax Let people contribute where they may. People are adding to the post and it has not been closed by Ann.</p> I agree, it would be a shame…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-01:865021:Comment:9018672012-03-01T11:26:00.150ZSusan Stonehttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/SwissSusan
<p>I agree, it would be a shame to start another discussion on the same theme if we already had one running even if this was a few months ago.</p>
<p>I personally am interested to see how we've spoken about one subject and aired our views in the past... and at a later date realise we may have changed our views.</p>
<p>Actually, I wonder, Ann, would you post the same question today? I feel the proof is overwhelming...</p>
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<p>I agree, it would be a shame to start another discussion on the same theme if we already had one running even if this was a few months ago.</p>
<p>I personally am interested to see how we've spoken about one subject and aired our views in the past... and at a later date realise we may have changed our views.</p>
<p>Actually, I wonder, Ann, would you post the same question today? I feel the proof is overwhelming...</p>
<p> </p> Mel. Why start a new post o…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-01:865021:Comment:9018642012-03-01T11:16:34.994ZTorie Lancasterhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/TorieLancaster
<p>Mel. Why start a new post on a very similar topic if the older discussion is still there and can be added to.</p>
<p>I for one like flipping through the pages of older discussions, some make for very interesting reading.</p>
<p>Mel. Why start a new post on a very similar topic if the older discussion is still there and can be added to.</p>
<p>I for one like flipping through the pages of older discussions, some make for very interesting reading.</p> I agree Margaret. New members…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-01:865021:Comment:9017902012-03-01T11:11:23.286Zeva ciechonskahttps://irishsetters.ning.com/xn/detail/u_0gijg39gsgi1q
I agree Margaret. New members bring a fresh outlook to all discussions. Keep am all running.....
I agree Margaret. New members bring a fresh outlook to all discussions. Keep am all running..... I find it quite useful to go…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-01:865021:Comment:9017712012-03-01T09:17:26.045ZMargaret Sierakowskihttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/MargaretSierakowski
<p>I find it quite useful to go back to the earlier material , by bringing up an older topic for new discussion, rather than starting a new topic , and having difficulty finding the previous discussion, or having forgotten about it</p>
<p>I find it quite useful to go back to the earlier material , by bringing up an older topic for new discussion, rather than starting a new topic , and having difficulty finding the previous discussion, or having forgotten about it</p> Mel,
On ES, discussions are t…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-01:865021:Comment:9017642012-03-01T08:34:12.887ZCatherine Carterhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/CatherineCarter
<p>Mel,</p>
<p>On ES, discussions are there to be reopened as often as necessary by new members who wish to take part . They can only be closed by the person who started them originally. As Rhonda said, this topic seems to be of relevance again at the moment. Why not let others have their say, even if this is not of interest to you ?</p>
<p>Mel,</p>
<p>On ES, discussions are there to be reopened as often as necessary by new members who wish to take part . They can only be closed by the person who started them originally. As Rhonda said, this topic seems to be of relevance again at the moment. Why not let others have their say, even if this is not of interest to you ?</p> Perhaps some one found it was…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-01:865021:Comment:9015222012-03-01T02:55:13.081ZRhonda Fisherhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/RhondaFisher
<p>Perhaps some one found it was still relevant</p>
<p>Perhaps some one found it was still relevant</p> I agree with you.tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-02-29:865021:Comment:9014012012-02-29T23:39:06.539ZAstrid Landsaathttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/AstridLandsaat
<p>I agree with you.</p>
<p>I agree with you.</p>