Hip Scoring again! - Exclusively Setters2024-03-28T09:59:06Zhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/hip-scoring-again?commentId=865021%3AComment%3A495525&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks Tracy :-)
Without a do…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-03-02:865021:Comment:4964972011-03-02T14:13:35.153ZSheree Parrishhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/ShereeParrish
<p>Thanks Tracy :-)</p>
<p>Without a doubt, if he ever needed a procedure I would let him have it done, of course I would be beside myself but I wouldn't feel anywhere near as guilty if something happened to him if it were something that needed doing. I will still have a chat with my vet tomorrow, just to see what he has to say.</p>
<p>Thanks Tracy :-)</p>
<p>Without a doubt, if he ever needed a procedure I would let him have it done, of course I would be beside myself but I wouldn't feel anywhere near as guilty if something happened to him if it were something that needed doing. I will still have a chat with my vet tomorrow, just to see what he has to say.</p> I received a very nice email…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-03-02:865021:Comment:4963822011-03-02T09:57:31.901ZSheree Parrishhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/ShereeParrish
<p>I received a very nice email from the secretary of the homeopathic vets (BHAVS), I didn't want to copy it word for word as didn't feel that would be appropriate but he is basically saying that because of the way the dog needs to be positioned, he thinks it is very doubtful that I would find a vet that is willing to do it without meds and also to bear in mind that, should the dog have a hip problem that the x-rays would show, it could be very painful for the dog to be manipulated into…</p>
<p>I received a very nice email from the secretary of the homeopathic vets (BHAVS), I didn't want to copy it word for word as didn't feel that would be appropriate but he is basically saying that because of the way the dog needs to be positioned, he thinks it is very doubtful that I would find a vet that is willing to do it without meds and also to bear in mind that, should the dog have a hip problem that the x-rays would show, it could be very painful for the dog to be manipulated into position. He further said that because of the reaction Henry had, unless I specifially wanted him scored to breed from, is it really worth it at the end of the day as I would be taking a risk with his life. One if his paragraphs read: Sedation and/or anaesthesia do carry risks and it is unlikely that a homeopathic practitioner would be able to do much more than reduce the risk at best. . Dogs who have the kind of reaction that your lad appears to have had, should be subjected these proceedures only under the most serious circumstances in my view.<br/>Glad he made a good recovery.</p>
<p>That's fair enough, I've tried my best but it obviously isn't to be.</p> That will be very interesting…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-03-01:865021:Comment:4955252011-03-01T16:51:31.630ZSheree Parrishhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/ShereeParrish
That will be very interesting Tracy...I shall have a look :-)
That will be very interesting Tracy...I shall have a look :-) Domitor is a different drug t…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-03-01:865021:Comment:4958972011-03-01T12:15:10.676ZJo parsonshttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Joparsons
Domitor is a different drug to acp. Domitor is a sedative that provides deep, reversible sedation. Acp is a common sedative that is used prior to a general anaesthetic which helps calm the dog and reduces the amount of general anaesthetic drugs required.<br></br>
Propofol is the injectable anaesthetic given to the dogs to make them go to sleep and isoflourane is the gas that is then used to keep them asleep.<br></br>
Domitor does lower the heart rate and he may have just had a reaction to this drug, it…
Domitor is a different drug to acp. Domitor is a sedative that provides deep, reversible sedation. Acp is a common sedative that is used prior to a general anaesthetic which helps calm the dog and reduces the amount of general anaesthetic drugs required.<br/>
Propofol is the injectable anaesthetic given to the dogs to make them go to sleep and isoflourane is the gas that is then used to keep them asleep.<br/>
Domitor does lower the heart rate and he may have just had a reaction to this drug, it is a completely different class of drug to the other ones mentioned so you should not worry too much.<br/>
Personally I would not give a dog a GA unless absolutely necessary as even though they are safe there is always a risk.<br/>
Isn't interesting the differences between here and the US. When I first started nursing (in 1992) we used to hold animals all of the time for X-rays but now it is not done in this country. Thanks Tracy :-)
I suppose it…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-03-01:865021:Comment:4955022011-03-01T10:55:07.863ZSheree Parrishhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/ShereeParrish
<p>Thanks Tracy :-)</p>
<p>I suppose it's like most things in life, one person or animal can be treated with a medicine and be fine, another has a reaction to it..and he did react to the reversal immediately, which was good. I suppose I am just that bit more worried as it happened to me previously, although a totally different vets in a totally different county, and 14 years apart, I had thought the first time was a fluke, and sadly we lost my baby boy..thankfully these vets brought Henry back…</p>
<p>Thanks Tracy :-)</p>
<p>I suppose it's like most things in life, one person or animal can be treated with a medicine and be fine, another has a reaction to it..and he did react to the reversal immediately, which was good. I suppose I am just that bit more worried as it happened to me previously, although a totally different vets in a totally different county, and 14 years apart, I had thought the first time was a fluke, and sadly we lost my baby boy..thankfully these vets brought Henry back to me.</p> Many thanks for that Jo...doe…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-03-01:865021:Comment:4958862011-03-01T10:25:04.609ZSheree Parrishhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/ShereeParrish
<p>Many thanks for that Jo...does the drug he had contain ACP? If so then I need to make sure that also gets added to his medical records. To be honest, my mind is spinning with all the different meds mentioned, and I think some are the same thing just with different names?? I have heard the Propofol mentioned many times and it seems that is safe to use...I definately wonder if this is what Henry had when he had his op last year.</p>
<p>It was an American at the show last weekend that was…</p>
<p>Many thanks for that Jo...does the drug he had contain ACP? If so then I need to make sure that also gets added to his medical records. To be honest, my mind is spinning with all the different meds mentioned, and I think some are the same thing just with different names?? I have heard the Propofol mentioned many times and it seems that is safe to use...I definately wonder if this is what Henry had when he had his op last year.</p>
<p>It was an American at the show last weekend that was astounded that we put our dogs out to x-ray hips, that's what made me wonder if some countries do it why not all? I would have no problem with holding him and wearing the appropriate gear...when you've had as many x-rays and ultra sounds as I have, it's a wonder I don't glow in the dark lol, but if it's illegal over here then I don't think I stand much chance of getting it done that way.</p> You're right Eva, although I…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-03-01:865021:Comment:4955002011-03-01T10:19:31.016ZSheree Parrishhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/ShereeParrish
You're right Eva, although I usually hip score mine regardless of whether they are being bred from, really to help with the statistics and also to have a bit of upfront knowledge with regards to adding supplements if there is a risk of arthritis. He didn't have any effects when he had the GA last September, but I don't know if he was sedated first, I will find out as much as possible when we go back on Thursday, but he will definately have a note put on his records about the drugs they…
You're right Eva, although I usually hip score mine regardless of whether they are being bred from, really to help with the statistics and also to have a bit of upfront knowledge with regards to adding supplements if there is a risk of arthritis. He didn't have any effects when he had the GA last September, but I don't know if he was sedated first, I will find out as much as possible when we go back on Thursday, but he will definately have a note put on his records about the drugs they used...thankfully he responded immediately to the reversal drug so I at least know if he were given it again accidently, there is a strong possibility he would recover again. Interesting point about the A…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-03-01:865021:Comment:4957782011-03-01T09:29:46.966Zeva ciechonskahttps://irishsetters.ning.com/xn/detail/u_0gijg39gsgi1q
<p>Interesting point about the ACP Jo because I had a dog years ago who went into convulsions after sedation with this drug and I now have NO ACP on all my dogs veterinary records. Louis was x-rayed under sedation and it was agreed prior to the procedure that the vet would use an alternative sedative. </p>
<p>Sheree, another drug might work for Henry. Can I just say that the majority of breeders hip score their dogs because they are going to breed from them. If Henry is never going to be…</p>
<p>Interesting point about the ACP Jo because I had a dog years ago who went into convulsions after sedation with this drug and I now have NO ACP on all my dogs veterinary records. Louis was x-rayed under sedation and it was agreed prior to the procedure that the vet would use an alternative sedative. </p>
<p>Sheree, another drug might work for Henry. Can I just say that the majority of breeders hip score their dogs because they are going to breed from them. If Henry is never going to be used at stud, perhaps, for his own health, it might just be better not to put him through this.</p> Thank you all so much for you…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-03-01:865021:Comment:4958682011-03-01T07:40:42.338ZSheree Parrishhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/ShereeParrish
<p>Thank you all so much for your replies, I haven't heard back from the homeopathic vets yet but have had a couple of pm's that I will be following up. </p>
<p>It's a shame that it's illegal to hold an animal for x-rays as I feel, at the moment, that is the only option open to me, and obviously I don't think any vet is going to trust me enough not to tell anyone we did it without meds, as much as I can tell them I won't spill the beans, if it's their livelihood at stake then I can understand…</p>
<p>Thank you all so much for your replies, I haven't heard back from the homeopathic vets yet but have had a couple of pm's that I will be following up. </p>
<p>It's a shame that it's illegal to hold an animal for x-rays as I feel, at the moment, that is the only option open to me, and obviously I don't think any vet is going to trust me enough not to tell anyone we did it without meds, as much as I can tell them I won't spill the beans, if it's their livelihood at stake then I can understand where they would be coming from. </p>
<p>Henry is back at our own vets on Thursday, they don't know any of this at the moment so I will take my print-out and see what they have to say. To be honest, how I feel at the moment I won't have him scored if it means he has to have meds, I would rather just not do it, but they may say that they used the Propofol when he was attacked, and he sailed through that op, I will then have to sit down and think long and hard about it.</p>
<p>The vet I took him to did explain what had happened to him, but I was so scared and upset that a lot of it went over my head, which is why they gave me the print-out. </p>
<p>If nothing else, at least this thread will perhaps give others an insight and they can double check what meds are being used on their dogs. I would imagine though, that Hen's reaction was a rare one, otherwise they wouldn't use it.</p>
<p>Thanks again, I really appreciate all the comments and the messages. :-)</p> Sheree I am a vet nurse so sh…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-02-28:865021:Comment:4950582011-02-28T23:24:53.593ZJo parsonshttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Joparsons
Sheree I am a vet nurse so should be able to help you with your question! In this country it is illegal for an animal to be held for an X-ray (for health and safety reasons). All vets/nurses should be at least 2 metres from the primary X-ray beam. I would question any vets that would ok for your dog to be held in place for an X-ray as this is not good practice. In America it is still common practice for animals to be held in place while being x-rayed.<br></br>
We always give animals a safe general…
Sheree I am a vet nurse so should be able to help you with your question! In this country it is illegal for an animal to be held for an X-ray (for health and safety reasons). All vets/nurses should be at least 2 metres from the primary X-ray beam. I would question any vets that would ok for your dog to be held in place for an X-ray as this is not good practice. In America it is still common practice for animals to be held in place while being x-rayed.<br/>
We always give animals a safe general anaesthetic (propofol and isoflurane) whilst hip scoring them, which is easier to control and monitor than a domitor sedation. I have always found with my own dogs and other setters they react very strongly to the acp used in the sedative prior to the anaesthetic so would only use a half dose. I would also make sure your vet uses a permanent catheter in the vein during anaesthesia incase of emergencies. I hope this helps!