New Bloat Survey - 2010 - Exclusively Setters2024-03-19T10:29:18Zhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/new-bloat-survey-2010?commentId=865021%3AComment%3A441433&feed=yes&xn_auth=noi received the results of the…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2021-05-08:865021:Comment:13490642021-05-08T12:17:17.994Zwilko jansenhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/wilkojansen481
<p>i received the results of the irish setters in this internet survey. i have published about it in a jansen & jansen newsletter. this was once again a questionnaire without asking the pedigree name. my conclusion is since 2016 torsion GDV is in IS inherited. so far i was able to find the pedigree names of GDV cases in this survey. a few were already reported to me by the breeder, owner.</p>
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<p>i received the results of the irish setters in this internet survey. i have published about it in a jansen & jansen newsletter. this was once again a questionnaire without asking the pedigree name. my conclusion is since 2016 torsion GDV is in IS inherited. so far i was able to find the pedigree names of GDV cases in this survey. a few were already reported to me by the breeder, owner.</p>
<p></p> Hi Sheree
I think most of rec…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-01-13:865021:Comment:4616282011-01-13T15:47:13.502ZSusan Stonehttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/SwissSusan
<p>Hi Sheree</p>
<p>I think most of recommendations as outlined on the website of the Irish Setter Breeders Club still count and it is best to live in awareness that Irish Setters (and other large breeds) are prone to bloat and GDV.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.isbc.org.uk/Health/gdv%20update%20page%20141209.htm">http://www.isbc.org.uk/Health/gdv%20update%20page%20141209.htm</a></p>
scroll down for their recommendations - unfortunately the present format does not make for easy reading and I did…
<p>Hi Sheree</p>
<p>I think most of recommendations as outlined on the website of the Irish Setter Breeders Club still count and it is best to live in awareness that Irish Setters (and other large breeds) are prone to bloat and GDV.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.isbc.org.uk/Health/gdv%20update%20page%20141209.htm">http://www.isbc.org.uk/Health/gdv%20update%20page%20141209.htm</a></p>
scroll down for their recommendations - unfortunately the present format does not make for easy reading and I did think the 'raised food bowl' was a thing of the past so maybe it has not been updated in a while... I've been watching this threa…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-01-13:865021:Comment:4618862011-01-13T09:45:23.037ZSheree Parrishhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/ShereeParrish
<p>I've been watching this thread with interest, I get really confused by what we are supposed to do...so I follow it, then it changes and I change how I feed the dogs, when I exercise them etc. I have only, thank god, had two experiences of bloat during the 30 odd years that I have owned the Irish and English. It was both Irish boys, the first lad blew up the day I got him at 12 weeks, his breeder said he's never done it before, he was rushed to the vets and they said there was nothing wrong…</p>
<p>I've been watching this thread with interest, I get really confused by what we are supposed to do...so I follow it, then it changes and I change how I feed the dogs, when I exercise them etc. I have only, thank god, had two experiences of bloat during the 30 odd years that I have owned the Irish and English. It was both Irish boys, the first lad blew up the day I got him at 12 weeks, his breeder said he's never done it before, he was rushed to the vets and they said there was nothing wrong with him, just a windy puppy. He was used at stud at a later date, there were only two boy pups in this litter and I kept them both. When the first one was 4 he blew again, but sadly died on the operating table, the vet said his organs had already started to necratise (sp?) so there had been something going on in there for a while, but nothing noticable to someone who can tell which one of her dogs is in the other room and drinking, just by the sound of it...had there been something wrong with him I would have known.</p>
<p>Imagine my horror when one of the sons, also aged 4 at the time, started wretching, his tummy was going up and down, I just knew what it was. He was at the emergency vets within 10 minutes, he had stopped wretching and, apart from looking sorry for himself, there didn't seem anything wrong. I asked if they would keep him for observation and they agreed, it was with a heavy heart I left him at the surgery, however, as I got home 7 minutes later, the phone was ringing, it was the vets, he had started up the symptoms again and they were going in. He had got bloat, thankfully none of his organs had been damaged and they stitched the walls of his stomach. There was no blockage or anything, they had no idea why he had bloated. He was in the vets for a week as it was touch and go, even though he was there in good time. He wouldn't eat and started to get depressed being away from me, but they didn't want me to visit as he was so poorly. In the end I insisted, I took him some white fish and he nearly had my hand off...he came home next day and never looked back. His litter brother has never shown any signs of bloat and they will be 10 this summer.</p>
<p>After this happened, I found out that the line the original dog was from had a history of bloat...yet the vet said that is isn't necessarily hereditary.</p>
<p>When I do get another Irish, and I will :-), I will be very careful about researching the lines, just incase.</p>
<p>I suppose what I am trying to say is, no matter what evidence these researchers give us, if you have lived with bloat then I think you tend to make your own conclusions, thats certainly how I am going to play it from now on.</p> In over 40 years' breeding Ir…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-01-13:865021:Comment:4447522011-01-13T01:57:55.589ZPat Aldridgehttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/PatAldridge
<p>In over 40 years' breeding Irish & English Setters, health "events" have been:</p>
<p>GDV - 1 IS (6 month old dog puppy) - never did it again & died at 14 years</p>
<p>Bloat (no twist) - 2 IS (both elderly bitches, both for the first time), 1 ES (10 year old bitch who always "vacuumed" her food!)</p>
<p>Bacterial meningitis - 1 10 month old ES bitch</p>
<p>No MO, no epilepsy, no PRA, no CLAD (all IS DNA tested clear or clear by descent)</p>
<p>Perhaps I'm just lucky??? Although I am…</p>
<p>In over 40 years' breeding Irish & English Setters, health "events" have been:</p>
<p>GDV - 1 IS (6 month old dog puppy) - never did it again & died at 14 years</p>
<p>Bloat (no twist) - 2 IS (both elderly bitches, both for the first time), 1 ES (10 year old bitch who always "vacuumed" her food!)</p>
<p>Bacterial meningitis - 1 10 month old ES bitch</p>
<p>No MO, no epilepsy, no PRA, no CLAD (all IS DNA tested clear or clear by descent)</p>
<p>Perhaps I'm just lucky??? Although I am personally of the opinion that a lot of my "luck" is because my lines are all UK, & predominantly Wendover.</p>
<p>My vets say that if they depended on me for their bread & butter, they would starve LOL!</p>
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<p> </p> I think this is the swedish v…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-01-11:865021:Comment:4439792011-01-11T21:26:00.711ZSusan Stonehttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/SwissSusan
<p>I think this is the swedish version of the same:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.genoscoper.com/pa_svenska/gentest/hundar/dla_polymorfism/">http://www.genoscoper.com/pa_svenska/gentest/hundar/dla_polymorfism/</a></p>
<p>I think this is the swedish version of the same:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.genoscoper.com/pa_svenska/gentest/hundar/dla_polymorfism/">http://www.genoscoper.com/pa_svenska/gentest/hundar/dla_polymorfism/</a></p> At the risk of boring everyon…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-01-11:865021:Comment:4439482011-01-11T21:02:16.123ZSusan Stonehttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/SwissSusan
<p>At the risk of boring everyone... more on MHC and genetic diversity</p>
<p><a href="http://www.genoscoper.com/in_english2/gene_tests/gene_tests/dla_diversity/">http://www.genoscoper.com/in_english2/gene_tests/gene_tests/dla_diversity/</a></p>
<p>This is an extremely interesting site that could help both breed clubs and breeders... all about MHC (Major Histocompatibility Complex) and more. And looks like you can get it in Swedish as well!</p>
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<p>At the risk of boring everyone... more on MHC and genetic diversity</p>
<p><a href="http://www.genoscoper.com/in_english2/gene_tests/gene_tests/dla_diversity/">http://www.genoscoper.com/in_english2/gene_tests/gene_tests/dla_diversity/</a></p>
<p>This is an extremely interesting site that could help both breed clubs and breeders... all about MHC (Major Histocompatibility Complex) and more. And looks like you can get it in Swedish as well!</p>
<p> </p> GSDs: sorry, my mistake - wha…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-01-11:865021:Comment:4433352011-01-11T06:25:10.486ZSusan Stonehttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/SwissSusan
<p>GSDs: sorry, my mistake - what I meant to say was GSD may have joined the 'top five' of the breeds at risk, not 5th. Still, numbers of IS where highly representative.</p>
<p>The survey in the ISBC newsletter was produced in the UK so reflects the actual state of the breed in that country. For expample Purdue studies cover far higher numbers of dogs in general but not Irish of UK breeding.</p>
<p>MHC is worth looking into - we will probably be hearing more of it in years to…</p>
<p>GSDs: sorry, my mistake - what I meant to say was GSD may have joined the 'top five' of the breeds at risk, not 5th. Still, numbers of IS where highly representative.</p>
<p>The survey in the ISBC newsletter was produced in the UK so reflects the actual state of the breed in that country. For expample Purdue studies cover far higher numbers of dogs in general but not Irish of UK breeding.</p>
<p>MHC is worth looking into - we will probably be hearing more of it in years to come.</p>
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<p>Thanks ladies for an interesting and demanding discussion!</p> The final end of year registe…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-01-10:865021:Comment:4431012011-01-10T21:03:10.537Zeva ciechonskahttps://irishsetters.ning.com/xn/detail/u_0gijg39gsgi1q
<p>The final end of year registered totals for each breed will be published shortly. It will be interesting to calculate percentages of hip scored dogs against these. My feeling is that Weimeraners will show a higher registered total than IS, but I could be wrong, of course. It could explain the greater number of the breed going through the scheme.</p>
<p>I find it funny that you don't think the missing GSDs would have made much of a difference to the final evaluations of the AHT survey…</p>
<p>The final end of year registered totals for each breed will be published shortly. It will be interesting to calculate percentages of hip scored dogs against these. My feeling is that Weimeraners will show a higher registered total than IS, but I could be wrong, of course. It could explain the greater number of the breed going through the scheme.</p>
<p>I find it funny that you don't think the missing GSDs would have made much of a difference to the final evaluations of the AHT survey because this is a breed that does suffer badly from GDV. Of course they could have been 5th but they could also have been 1st, 2nd or 3rd.........we will never know. </p>
<p>Oh Susan.......of course we are not in the US. What an amusing thing to say!!!!! However, as the subject of Cheryl's Forum discussion and link is, in fact, the latest internet based survey from the USA it was only fair that I mention this. And, yes, FAR more important than any survey.............precious research into how we can reduce the incidence of this disease.</p>
<p>As to cancer.................well you have totally finished me off with "Major Histocompatibility Complex MHC" and epigenetics...........................I give in!!!!!!</p>
<p> </p> I've just found this article…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-01-10:865021:Comment:4430712011-01-10T20:27:12.036ZSusan Stonehttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/SwissSusan
I've just found this article on MHC <a href="http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/content/94/1/23.full">http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/content/94/1/23.full</a>
I've just found this article on MHC <a href="http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/content/94/1/23.full">http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/content/94/1/23.full</a> Sorry, Eva, I do not know the…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-01-10:865021:Comment:4430702011-01-10T20:09:22.818ZSusan Stonehttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/SwissSusan
<p>Sorry, Eva, I do not know the total number of Irish Setters registered each year in the UK but I am sure you will find those numbers in the KC Gazette or maybe the KC can give you those figures. But I would assume the same as you: I doubt that more Leonbergers are registered than Irish Setters. As to Weimaraners I know they have had a great boom in the UK and it seems clear by the numbers scored that this breed has a strong view on hip scoring, the same as do people in German Shorthaired…</p>
<p>Sorry, Eva, I do not know the total number of Irish Setters registered each year in the UK but I am sure you will find those numbers in the KC Gazette or maybe the KC can give you those figures. But I would assume the same as you: I doubt that more Leonbergers are registered than Irish Setters. As to Weimaraners I know they have had a great boom in the UK and it seems clear by the numbers scored that this breed has a strong view on hip scoring, the same as do people in German Shorthaired Pointers.</p>
<p>I'm not sure that the missing GSDs would make such a big difference, except possibly being the 5th most affected breed... as they did not join in they can't say: we don't have a problem...can they? Please note we are not in the US, that is why it is important to have a UK study. As you know the IS lines are different to ours.</p>
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<p>Now for funding research into how best deal with these problems.</p>
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<p>As to cancer, well there again we must assume a complex background but must also take in account that various other breeds with a high level of inbreeding are afflicted by an increase of cancer of different types. To name just two that I know for sure: The Bernese Mountain Dog and the Flatcoated Retriever. This is possibly where the compex issue of 'Major Histocompatibility Complex MHC' and epigenetics come into the game... and don't ask me to explain, please! I'm only just learning more about it myself...</p>
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