New 'Eye Problem In Irish' - Exclusively Setters2024-03-28T16:57:53Zhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/new-eye-problem-in-irish?id=865021%3ATopic%3A166403&feed=yes&xn_auth=noCatherine
It has been seen by…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-01-29:865021:Comment:2857642010-01-29T18:50:45.438ZDee Rancehttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/DeeRance
Catherine<br />
It has been seen by Prof Bedford and myself that Jas is now going blind during the day, and he cannot rule out CSNB, I think he is also ruling IN this 'could well' be a new type of LOPRA, the only difference is, that this type cannot be seen by the ophthalmic examination. So yes this pedigree is connected to Jas, one name jumps out at me, but I am not in a position to comment on it, although some have already, and I tend to agree with them, but not KNF there are some that are behind…
Catherine<br />
It has been seen by Prof Bedford and myself that Jas is now going blind during the day, and he cannot rule out CSNB, I think he is also ruling IN this 'could well' be a new type of LOPRA, the only difference is, that this type cannot be seen by the ophthalmic examination. So yes this pedigree is connected to Jas, one name jumps out at me, but I am not in a position to comment on it, although some have already, and I tend to agree with them, but not KNF there are some that are behind him that come up as an individual, plus the litter mates as well, as Colette has said, I cannot say one dog or another, this is not the way to go but if we could get a genetic test then this is the way to go, it will take the guesswork out of it all, this must be our first and foremost aim, and we get all our breeding stock tested and do not use anything that is affected, at the moment all we can do is get their eyes tested before breeding, this is exactly what I did with my Saffy she had opthalmic + ERG tests before I breed her, which she was clear for both tests, and then hope that all is well. It would have been so much easier if there was a genetic test, you could rest easy. knowing that you were not going to pass something like blindness on. Rosie I was unaware of the wo…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-01-29:865021:Comment:2857602010-01-29T18:26:03.829ZDee Rancehttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/DeeRance
Rosie I was unaware of the work that is already being done.. and I have a dog that is affected by it all, so when was it started..no one has said anything to me about it, well not that I can remember, as I seem to be going senile, don't seem to know much about much these days...<br />
Thanks for the info
Rosie I was unaware of the work that is already being done.. and I have a dog that is affected by it all, so when was it started..no one has said anything to me about it, well not that I can remember, as I seem to be going senile, don't seem to know much about much these days...<br />
Thanks for the info Dee. Is Modesty suffering fro…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-01-29:865021:Comment:2857592010-01-29T18:26:02.730Zeva ciechonskahttps://irishsetters.ning.com/xn/detail/u_0gijg39gsgi1q
Dee. Is Modesty suffering from CSNB? I understood there was a questionmark over this as her daytime vision was also deteriorating. Can you advise please.
Dee. Is Modesty suffering from CSNB? I understood there was a questionmark over this as her daytime vision was also deteriorating. Can you advise please. Thank you Henk, I had a look…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-01-29:865021:Comment:2857382010-01-29T16:42:13.006ZCatherine Carterhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/CatherineCarter
Thank you Henk, I had a look at Bradley's pedigree.<br />
I don't understand why you compare it with Caspians Modesty as I always understood that she was suffering with CSNB and not late onset PRA.....These are different diseases!
Thank you Henk, I had a look at Bradley's pedigree.<br />
I don't understand why you compare it with Caspians Modesty as I always understood that she was suffering with CSNB and not late onset PRA.....These are different diseases! Catherine most info is in pos…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-01-29:865021:Comment:2857312010-01-29T15:56:33.380ZHenk ten Kloosterhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Setterset
Catherine most info is in posts above. The stud dog was diagnosed blind at old age. That is exactly the problem: blind for blindness. Dee well explains above how that is possible. You can see the pedigree by clicking on the link.
Catherine most info is in posts above. The stud dog was diagnosed blind at old age. That is exactly the problem: blind for blindness. Dee well explains above how that is possible. You can see the pedigree by clicking on the link. Colette you are correct, it s…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-01-29:865021:Comment:2857292010-01-29T15:50:28.264ZHenk ten Kloosterhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Setterset
Colette you are correct, it should read inbred to sisters of KFN, himself adding 12,5 %.<br />
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Caspians Modesty is inbred to KNF<br />
<a href="http://setters.applegrove.net/setters/pedigree.php?Id=52322" target="_blank">http://setters.applegrove.net/setters/pedigree.php?Id=52322</a><br />
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Your opinion that more eyeproblems would have turned up is at first glimpse right (opinion) but blind studdog Bradleys facts documents another option. Lets hope it isnt.
Colette you are correct, it should read inbred to sisters of KFN, himself adding 12,5 %.<br />
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Caspians Modesty is inbred to KNF<br />
<a href="http://setters.applegrove.net/setters/pedigree.php?Id=52322" target="_blank">http://setters.applegrove.net/setters/pedigree.php?Id=52322</a><br />
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Your opinion that more eyeproblems would have turned up is at first glimpse right (opinion) but blind studdog Bradleys facts documents another option. Lets hope it isnt. Henk ,I agree looking at Brad…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-01-29:865021:Comment:2857252010-01-29T15:03:32.901Zcolette tuitehttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/colettetuite
Henk ,I agree looking at Bradleys pedigree that you could say he was inbred to Kerryfair night fevers sisters ,but i dont agree that you can say he is to kerryfair night fever himself.You could just as easily say that via hamrod colissa he is line bred to sowerhill sarah /wendover jeeves as sowerhill sadie is a sister of sahib.If you are looking for a line that ocurs on both sides of the pedigree it may not be the obvious one.In this case because there is such an overlap of matching lines on…
Henk ,I agree looking at Bradleys pedigree that you could say he was inbred to Kerryfair night fevers sisters ,but i dont agree that you can say he is to kerryfair night fever himself.You could just as easily say that via hamrod colissa he is line bred to sowerhill sarah /wendover jeeves as sowerhill sadie is a sister of sahib.If you are looking for a line that ocurs on both sides of the pedigree it may not be the obvious one.In this case because there is such an overlap of matching lines on both sides more information would be required to make an informed conclusion.<br />
I would have thought that the eye problems would have turned up sooner through people doubling up on kerryfair night fever directly if he was implicated as there was extensive breeding to his lines! Henk,
I would like to underst…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-01-29:865021:Comment:2857202010-01-29T13:41:38.987ZCatherine Carterhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/CatherineCarter
Henk,<br />
I would like to understand exactly what you are saying....are you saying that a stud dog(Bradley) presumably in your country has been used at stud after he showed signs of blindness? Are you saying that the owner knew and yet let the dog be used? If this is the case I think the whole pedigree of this dog should be openly published so that lines of descent can be studied by geneticists. I am sure that relevant Clubs have been informed but this has not come down to breeders yet/ Or am I the…
Henk,<br />
I would like to understand exactly what you are saying....are you saying that a stud dog(Bradley) presumably in your country has been used at stud after he showed signs of blindness? Are you saying that the owner knew and yet let the dog be used? If this is the case I think the whole pedigree of this dog should be openly published so that lines of descent can be studied by geneticists. I am sure that relevant Clubs have been informed but this has not come down to breeders yet/ Or am I the only one NOT to know ? Dee, the difficulty to spot t…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-01-29:865021:Comment:2857132010-01-29T12:41:54.346ZHenk ten Kloosterhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Setterset
Dee, the difficulty to spot this blindness, is an extra reason to keep your eyes open for information that everyone can spot. Like pedigrees involved.<br />
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The blind stud dog Bradley is inbred to Kerryfair Night Fever and his sisters Kerryfair Charm and Kerryfair Solitaire. Last make 50% of the pedigree, first 12,5%. Source The Irish Red Setter Pedigree Collection…
Dee, the difficulty to spot this blindness, is an extra reason to keep your eyes open for information that everyone can spot. Like pedigrees involved.<br />
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The blind stud dog Bradley is inbred to Kerryfair Night Fever and his sisters Kerryfair Charm and Kerryfair Solitaire. Last make 50% of the pedigree, first 12,5%. Source The Irish Red Setter Pedigree Collection <a href="http://setters.applegrove.net/setters/pedigree.php?Id=10272" target="_blank">http://setters.applegrove.net/setters/pedigree.php?Id=10272</a>.<br />
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This does not prove they are responsible, but knowing this info could be helpful towards more owners participating in testing schemes. Numbers shown in Rosie’s ISAE post are very low.<br />
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Good to read the update of the Irish Setter Association of England <a href="http://www.isae.co.uk/PDF/Setter%20Shot%202009%20Health%20pages%20for%20web-site.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.isae.co.uk/PDF/Setter%20Shot%202009%20Health%20pages%20for%20web-site.pdf</a><br />
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My question remains was this and other info provided by Rosie Dudley of the ISAE sent and subsequently published in all club magazines worldwide?<br />
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Another question mark is why relevant information on the blind stud dog was not published, although a breeder -present in this website meanwhile- was aware and asked the committee of the Dutch club four years ago to take steps. Breeding suspect lineage was continued by others.<br />
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This documents a huge information-problem. I think as I have said before…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-01-26:865021:Comment:2849692010-01-26T21:16:04.687ZDee Rancehttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/DeeRance
I think as I have said before that blindness is really difficult to spot, my girls sister was only tested because Jas seemed to have a problem..her owner had seen nothing wrong with her, it turned out that she had a 50% loss of vision in both eyes, so not reporting a loss of vision could mean that the owner just hadn't noticed it, again in Laylas diagnosis, it was only picked up on when she was at Lyn's daughters house, where she wasn't used to the way things were placed around the house, this…
I think as I have said before that blindness is really difficult to spot, my girls sister was only tested because Jas seemed to have a problem..her owner had seen nothing wrong with her, it turned out that she had a 50% loss of vision in both eyes, so not reporting a loss of vision could mean that the owner just hadn't noticed it, again in Laylas diagnosis, it was only picked up on when she was at Lyn's daughters house, where she wasn't used to the way things were placed around the house, this has got to be taken in to consideration, <i>it is so difficult to spot that the dog has a loss of vision</i><br />
(Can't understand what happened with the email, Henk, will try again with the email addresses that you have given Thanks.)