Please watch and give me your thoughts around this... I would appreciate it - Exclusively Setters2024-03-29T04:53:00Zhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/please-watch-and-give-me-your-thoughts-around-this-i-would?feed=yes&xn_auth=noCheers Margaret. You are righ…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-09-12:865021:Comment:7910642011-09-12T11:05:46.870ZPetroshttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Petar
<p>Cheers Margaret. You are right they did have one, and I believe it was the first and last show dog they had... She has thought me a lot. I'm glad you have met her she knows quite a bit, I do plan to come your way some time in the future and check out the good kennels there...</p>
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<p>Cheers Margaret. You are right they did have one, and I believe it was the first and last show dog they had... She has thought me a lot. I'm glad you have met her she knows quite a bit, I do plan to come your way some time in the future and check out the good kennels there...</p>
<p> </p> I've met Robyn when she comes…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-09-12:865021:Comment:7907812011-09-12T06:52:43.949ZMargaret Sierakowskihttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/MargaretSierakowski
<p>I've met Robyn when she comes over to judge field trials in the UK, and she and her dogs have an international reputation. Amazing where they get to, a friend in the far north of Norway who has one of my dogs also has a very good working red who is the son of a Kilsheelan that Robyn sent to Norway. Robyn and her husband John started I believe, with show bred Irish Setters many years ago, worked hard to train their show dogs to work, but eventually decided to go with working red Irish…</p>
<p>I've met Robyn when she comes over to judge field trials in the UK, and she and her dogs have an international reputation. Amazing where they get to, a friend in the far north of Norway who has one of my dogs also has a very good working red who is the son of a Kilsheelan that Robyn sent to Norway. Robyn and her husband John started I believe, with show bred Irish Setters many years ago, worked hard to train their show dogs to work, but eventually decided to go with working red Irish Setters. Must be hard breeding in New Zealand where the only way to bring new working setter blood into one's lines is to import</p>
<p>Good luck with your dog Petros, hope you and your dog enjoy what you are doing (thats the most important thing) and do it well, keep telling us how he is coming on, and dont worry too much about other people do with their Irish Setters :)) We all do what we enjoy most!</p> Yep, that would be the one...tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-09-12:865021:Comment:7907722011-09-12T06:00:12.345ZPetroshttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Petar
Yep, that would be the one...
Yep, that would be the one... Yep.... Im getting my pup rea…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-09-12:865021:Comment:7905682011-09-12T05:59:51.870ZPetroshttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Petar
<p>Yep.... Im getting my pup ready for the live game trails early next year. Finally getting some daylight time for training as the days get longer and longer...</p>
<p>Yep.... Im getting my pup ready for the live game trails early next year. Finally getting some daylight time for training as the days get longer and longer...</p> I've known Robyn for ages. D…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-09-11:865021:Comment:7901752011-09-11T20:17:24.394ZPat Aldridgehttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/PatAldridge
I've known Robyn for ages. Do you work your pup at all?
I've known Robyn for ages. Do you work your pup at all? I guess you have one of Robyn…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-09-11:865021:Comment:7901662011-09-11T19:24:24.242ZMargaret Sierakowskihttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/MargaretSierakowski
<p>I guess you have one of Robyn Gaskin's Kilsheelans? Lucky man!</p>
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<p>I guess you have one of Robyn Gaskin's Kilsheelans? Lucky man!</p>
<p> </p> Hi Pat,
I am part of the Poin…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-09-11:865021:Comment:7895612011-09-11T18:45:22.588ZPetroshttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Petar
<p>Hi Pat,</p>
<p>I am part of the Pointer & Setter Club and the irish setters that win the championships are the kennel mates of my pup, since there is only one breeder in new zealand with working irish setters and that is where I got mine.</p>
<p><br/>a metre or not you guys get my point (the size!!!!!), you guys get hung up too much on the details...</p>
<p>Hi Pat,</p>
<p>I am part of the Pointer & Setter Club and the irish setters that win the championships are the kennel mates of my pup, since there is only one breeder in new zealand with working irish setters and that is where I got mine.</p>
<p><br/>a metre or not you guys get my point (the size!!!!!), you guys get hung up too much on the details...</p> Petros,
I see you are in New…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-09-11:865021:Comment:7891672011-09-11T10:54:26.272ZPat Aldridgehttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/PatAldridge
<p>Petros,</p>
<p>I see you are in New Zealand - I have never seen an Irish here anywhere near "1 metre tall"!! And are you not aware that the NZ Pointer & Setter Championship has been won several times by Irish Setters??</p>
<p>Petros,</p>
<p>I see you are in New Zealand - I have never seen an Irish here anywhere near "1 metre tall"!! And are you not aware that the NZ Pointer & Setter Championship has been won several times by Irish Setters??</p> All of the comments above I f…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-09-10:865021:Comment:7884502011-09-10T21:46:55.718ZPetroshttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Petar
<p>All of the comments above I find irrelevant as they are only arrguments...<br></br>Teresa Ill respond to you as I can see you are putting your time in this...<br></br><br></br>1) Agreed on the world evolving topic.<br></br><br></br> 2) Have I ever seen a setter not taking an interest in birds? Maybe not but the degree of interest or enthusiasm is enormous. Simply because a working one has the stamina to check out every bit of the ground, work with speed, style and has a great nose, much greater than a show…</p>
<p>All of the comments above I find irrelevant as they are only arrguments...<br/>Teresa Ill respond to you as I can see you are putting your time in this...<br/><br/>1) Agreed on the world evolving topic.<br/><br/> 2) Have I ever seen a setter not taking an interest in birds? Maybe not but the degree of interest or enthusiasm is enormous. Simply because a working one has the stamina to check out every bit of the ground, work with speed, style and has a great nose, much greater than a show line. This is one of the points that I am trying to get across, I am not arguing that in-breeding is wrong, there is no need to because we know it is, that creates the above problem. No argument there. But: If we are to show a dog which originally was at a different height, length, structure, breed for the field and to say that that is "anatomically incorrect" as one of the judges call it in the documentary, that I disagree with.<br/>That was my whole point, judging (with proper training of the judges) can be modified to account for this, not just the appearance of the dog but I believe a dog should be able to do what it use to do (what the working can do now) because originally that is the dog. Because of this people have breed away from the original traits of the breeds. <br/><br/>3) My research was finding the best working dog around me, and I did. I did research the setters especially the Irish so I did not just buy my dog.... carrying on...<br/>I am not disappointed at the breed itself as I know who has the working dogs and who doesn't so I am fine on that part but what I am disappointed that a Irish setter and other breed have been bred away from what they are originally for, especially when I see few Irish setter dogs at a field trail and 20 Irish at a show ring... (don't hold me on this as I haven't been to a show won't even go for sure, but from the photos I have seen on this forum it looks like it)</p>
<p>4) a metre or not I came across a show Irish later last year, my dog was up to his bollocks with the nose... if I was hunting id probably mistake the dog for a deer... I would not expect to see that dog run like a small agile, finely built Irish setter. That was just extremely too chunky, I would not expect it to run like a chetah as the working do, at least mine does...</p>
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<p>5) opinions yes.. agreed... but come on, I would not be able to belive that a show judge will put a working irish setter or any other breed infront of a show irish setter/working dog simply because it does look anatomically correct. Now that is just a shot to the head issue right there. As obviously the judge has not done his research himself therefore I cannot stress enough how flawed the system is...</p>
<p>I am more than happy to stop this thread if you guys are, as I have proven to myself what I was expecting. I command you for looking after the dogs greatly health wise, keeping them exercised, and those that do actually go through the trouble of looking after the dog who had problems because of this sort of breeding. But those un-educated breeders are the concern, as well as my overall point above...</p> I agree with just about every…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-09-10:865021:Comment:7878772011-09-10T10:40:03.702ZFran Griffinhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/FranGriffin
I agree with just about everything said Teresa. There is a lot being done with Setters, although I would like to see the area of hypothyroidism opened up and investigated more. However, there are some breeds where those involved seem to have their heads buried in concrete - let alone sand, especially a lot of people involved in German Shepherds. I truly cannot understand why so many want to preserve the roach backed look and those back legs which almost make them look like seals. Listening to…
I agree with just about everything said Teresa. There is a lot being done with Setters, although I would like to see the area of hypothyroidism opened up and investigated more. However, there are some breeds where those involved seem to have their heads buried in concrete - let alone sand, especially a lot of people involved in German Shepherds. I truly cannot understand why so many want to preserve the roach backed look and those back legs which almost make them look like seals. Listening to those people speak makes me wonder if they have cognitive dissonance, I am sorry, but I used to have German Shepherds and it breaks my heart seeing such a noble dog being turned into something divorced from what they were, and to hear how those people are trying to preserve that look at all costs, despite the program and other pressures they are under.