PRArcd4 - update - another! - Exclusively Setters2024-03-29T11:27:23Zhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/prarcd4-update-another?commentId=865021%3AComment%3A763680&feed=yes&xn_auth=noDeb, I read your post last ev…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-09-10:865021:Comment:7878952011-09-10T12:00:13.591ZAngela Robertshttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/AngelaRoberts
Deb, I read your post last evening and looked for the post that you had responded to and couldn't find it then. One would have thought that if they felt guilty about what they had written they would have at least apologised and left the post in place. It doesn't look like you are moaning but I know what you mean as I have posted on forums only for it to turn up in the wrong place or a previous post be deleted and then what you have written can look stupid or not even relevant. Anyway at the…
Deb, I read your post last evening and looked for the post that you had responded to and couldn't find it then. One would have thought that if they felt guilty about what they had written they would have at least apologised and left the post in place. It doesn't look like you are moaning but I know what you mean as I have posted on forums only for it to turn up in the wrong place or a previous post be deleted and then what you have written can look stupid or not even relevant. Anyway at the moment you know you have the support of the majority of people in the breed, of course no one has done anything wrong and it is only people who have actually bred a litter that will know how anyone is feeling at this time. I was also saddened last evening to look at the lists of clears, carriers and affecteds for Gordon Setters on the KC website. They too must have had an anxious time over the last few months and have a large percentage of carriers and affecteds in the breed. Thank goodness we can now go forward and eradicate one more problem in both breeds. Thnaks Deb, I agree. Never t…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-09-10:865021:Comment:7876732011-09-10T08:51:58.816ZCheryl Goreyhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/CherylGorey
Thnaks Deb, I agree. Never thought of it like that!
Thnaks Deb, I agree. Never thought of it like that! I just reread my last post an…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-09-10:865021:Comment:7877702011-09-10T08:40:49.128ZDeb Bouttellhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/DebBouttell
<p>I just reread my last post and the statement that made me post has been deleted, so it sounds like I'm just having a moan!</p>
<p>Nothing could be further from the truth, we have been astounded at the messages of support that we have received and from so many people around the world.</p>
<p>As I said on facebook, Irish Setter people are like their dogs 'demonstratively affectionate'! :-) </p>
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<p>I just reread my last post and the statement that made me post has been deleted, so it sounds like I'm just having a moan!</p>
<p>Nothing could be further from the truth, we have been astounded at the messages of support that we have received and from so many people around the world.</p>
<p>As I said on facebook, Irish Setter people are like their dogs 'demonstratively affectionate'! :-) </p>
<p> </p> I just copied this off the SE…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-09-10:865021:Comment:7871722011-09-10T00:01:11.754ZCheryl Goreyhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/CherylGorey
<p style="text-align: center;">I just copied this off the SEISC website, so may help those who need something more visual!</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><img height="200" src="http://www.irishsetterhealth.info/sites/default/files/photos/parent1parent2.jpg" width="400"></img></p>
<p>Statement from SEISC website: "It is important to realise, with the exception of affected to affected and clear to clear, the percentages are only statistical and will vary from litter to…</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">I just copied this off the SEISC website, so may help those who need something more visual!</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><img height="200" width="400" src="http://www.irishsetterhealth.info/sites/default/files/photos/parent1parent2.jpg"/></p>
<p>Statement from SEISC website: "It is important to realise, with the exception of affected to affected and clear to clear, the percentages are only statistical and will vary from litter to litter."</p> or some affected from carrie…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-09-09:865021:Comment:7856722011-09-09T16:48:39.827ZJean Lippetthttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/JeanLippett
or some affected from carrier / carrier, it seems
or some affected from carrier / carrier, it seems Deb as someone that has had a…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-09-09:865021:Comment:7853932011-09-09T12:49:12.129ZDee Rancehttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/DeeRance
Deb as someone that has had a blind dog in the past, My lovely Jasmine, I cannot understand anyone saying that you have done something wrong..people only do wrong when they know that there is a problem...you and the rest that breed their dogs before 1 August have nothing to reproach themselves for nothing what-so ever...now we know then that would have been different but we didn't know you can't do something wrong if you don't know...YOU DID NOTHING WRONG....so don't reproach…
Deb as someone that has had a blind dog in the past, My lovely Jasmine, I cannot understand anyone saying that you have done something wrong..people only do wrong when they know that there is a problem...you and the rest that breed their dogs before 1 August have nothing to reproach themselves for nothing what-so ever...now we know then that would have been different but we didn't know you can't do something wrong if you don't know...YOU DID NOTHING WRONG....so don't reproach yourself...please.... I think that the overwhelming…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-09-09:865021:Comment:7854982011-09-09T12:18:15.747ZJean Lippetthttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/JeanLippett
<p>I think that the overwhelming majority of viewers of this forum have felt that you were desperately unfortunate, Deb., and have profound sympathy for all who are in this situation. I don't know you and am moderately hard-hearted but cried at your posts.</p>
<p>I'm not a breed expert but have had fine irish setters for 25 years and in almost every case where I've looked into the pedigrees of affected dogs it's been noticeable how widespread the breeding stock have been, in at least one case…</p>
<p>I think that the overwhelming majority of viewers of this forum have felt that you were desperately unfortunate, Deb., and have profound sympathy for all who are in this situation. I don't know you and am moderately hard-hearted but cried at your posts.</p>
<p>I'm not a breed expert but have had fine irish setters for 25 years and in almost every case where I've looked into the pedigrees of affected dogs it's been noticeable how widespread the breeding stock have been, in at least one case with totally unrelated sire and dam lines. It's 2 throws of an incredible complicated set of dice and sometimes comes up double-six. And the dice being as they are, with many of these dogs, the possibility of one late life problem will be balanced by being 'clear' of others that could be even more devastating but not tested for yet.</p>
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<p>I don't think the in-breeding arguments should be posted in any of these lopra threads but treated as a separate issue for another time.</p> Very well written, Margaret !…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-09-09:865021:Comment:7853842011-09-09T11:04:52.466ZCatherine Carterhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/CatherineCarter
Very well written, Margaret ! I very much agree with what you have written above.
Very well written, Margaret ! I very much agree with what you have written above. For your information the bitc…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-09-09:865021:Comment:7854842011-09-09T11:01:13.178ZDeb Bouttellhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/DebBouttell
<p>For your information the bitch that I bred and her puppies that are affected have COI of 14%.</p>
<p>I don't consider that to be high. We realise now that there are many carriers out there and with a wide range of breeding- it only takes two to come together sometime to create affecteds.</p>
<p>It is extremely unhelpful and hurtful to insinuate that we have done something wrong when we didn't know about this problem.</p>
<p>There have been a some discussions on ES in the past where I have…</p>
<p>For your information the bitch that I bred and her puppies that are affected have COI of 14%.</p>
<p>I don't consider that to be high. We realise now that there are many carriers out there and with a wide range of breeding- it only takes two to come together sometime to create affecteds.</p>
<p>It is extremely unhelpful and hurtful to insinuate that we have done something wrong when we didn't know about this problem.</p>
<p>There have been a some discussions on ES in the past where I have been so horrified at the tone of discussion that have have walked away for a few weeks.</p>
<p>This particular subject (obviously) concerns me so I don't feel inclined to leave it.</p>
<p>Just please take a moment before you write to consider whether your comments will hurt others. </p> Yes, I agree. Probably better…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-09-09:865021:Comment:7855762011-09-09T10:58:13.981ZMargaret Sierakowskihttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/MargaretSierakowski
Yes, I agree. Probably better to separate out the discussions on the practical ways of dealing with rcd4 right here and now, and on the more theoretical issues of breeding strategies for the future. There is a understandably a lot of emotion and sensitivity around now as breeders get their results, and maybe it will be easier to discuss future breeding strategy (and I dont mean only how to breed from clear, carrier and affected) as things settle down again . Its also easier to look at issues…
Yes, I agree. Probably better to separate out the discussions on the practical ways of dealing with rcd4 right here and now, and on the more theoretical issues of breeding strategies for the future. There is a understandably a lot of emotion and sensitivity around now as breeders get their results, and maybe it will be easier to discuss future breeding strategy (and I dont mean only how to breed from clear, carrier and affected) as things settle down again . Its also easier to look at issues like line breeding and use of popular sires, if one keeps away from specific dogs or breeders, or what has gone wrong in the past, and looks at more at modern research on dog breeding in general and advances in genetics . Many things happened in the past and are still having effects on dogs now because breeders didnt have the knowledge which is becoming available and changing so fast. One cant blame breeders for not having the knowledge which wasnt available only a few years ago. Understanding of genetics is moving so fast, it is hard to keep up with it!