Puppy Leash pulling - Exclusively Setters2024-03-29T01:21:17Zhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/puppy-leash-pulling?commentId=865021%3AComment%3A319917&feed=yes&xn_auth=noYes I so agree Katie! I alway…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-05-06:865021:Comment:3199412010-05-06T17:21:22.769ZSue and Cashhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/SusanLoconsole
Yes I so agree Katie! I always find working on his leash walking is a bit easier in the evening because he had his run time and a nice nap but is still mellowed out. And I refused the prong collar in the past with my last dog. Finding trainers who have had IS in their classes is not an option. They are rather rare around here. A few now and then. He is the only IS at our dog park as was Dub. We have a couple field gordons and english but the small field style.
Yes I so agree Katie! I always find working on his leash walking is a bit easier in the evening because he had his run time and a nice nap but is still mellowed out. And I refused the prong collar in the past with my last dog. Finding trainers who have had IS in their classes is not an option. They are rather rare around here. A few now and then. He is the only IS at our dog park as was Dub. We have a couple field gordons and english but the small field style. To put it very simply: you ca…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-05-06:865021:Comment:3199192010-05-06T14:08:21.475ZSusan Stonehttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/SwissSusan
To put it very simply: you can either train your dog by using aversive methods ie punishment and afflicting pain or you can train him by reinforcing good behaviour by praise and reward.<br />
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In the past we used to think dogs could only be trained using punishment. Fortunately since those times most trainers have learnt more about learning mechanisms in general and dog behaviour in particular and know there is no need to use these aversive methods like yanking a prong collar.<br />
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I'd do as Ossian…
To put it very simply: you can either train your dog by using aversive methods ie punishment and afflicting pain or you can train him by reinforcing good behaviour by praise and reward.<br />
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In the past we used to think dogs could only be trained using punishment. Fortunately since those times most trainers have learnt more about learning mechanisms in general and dog behaviour in particular and know there is no need to use these aversive methods like yanking a prong collar.<br />
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I'd do as Ossian recommends: find another class.<br />
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Another book to add to your list besides 'Culture Clash' is <b>'Aint Misbehavin' - a good behaviour guide for family dogs'</b> by David Appleby. Personally I would never use…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-05-06:865021:Comment:3199172010-05-06T13:50:44.448ZKatie Rogershttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/KatieRogers
Personally I would never use a prong collar on one of my IS. But I have always found that with exercise, time, patience, and maturity most things could be overcome without the use of tools that will break their spirit. That jolly, clownish, happy go lucky attitude of this wonderful breed is something we all love but others can see it for lack of obedience. I would personally look for a trainer that has experience with Setters and exercise, exercise, exercise!!! The more opportunity your lovely…
Personally I would never use a prong collar on one of my IS. But I have always found that with exercise, time, patience, and maturity most things could be overcome without the use of tools that will break their spirit. That jolly, clownish, happy go lucky attitude of this wonderful breed is something we all love but others can see it for lack of obedience. I would personally look for a trainer that has experience with Setters and exercise, exercise, exercise!!! The more opportunity your lovely red bundle gets to blow off some of the excess energy the more time you will have to do some real training. Those collars were made to act the same as a bite on the neck. If your dog is not in a state of mind that would require that kind of a correction they do not need to be wearing a prong collar. Those collars can be a great tool in the right situation, they can also QUICKLY escalate a problem when used incorrectly. find another class... or star…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-05-06:865021:Comment:3199092010-05-06T13:36:25.259ZOssianhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Ossian
find another class... or start a group of your own!
find another class... or start a group of your own! Quick question for the traine…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-05-06:865021:Comment:3199072010-05-06T13:34:28.958ZSue and Cashhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/SusanLoconsole
Quick question for the trainers....<br />
Two different classes I looked into have absolute collar requirements. One is the gentle leader and the other only uses the prong. Dublin was a bust with the gentle leader in that trainers class, so I am leary to try again. He spent the eight weeks doing back flips to remove the collar and didn't get much else from the class but how to get it off. The prong isn't really something I would consider for an IS. What are your thoughts on collar requirements or you…
Quick question for the trainers....<br />
Two different classes I looked into have absolute collar requirements. One is the gentle leader and the other only uses the prong. Dublin was a bust with the gentle leader in that trainers class, so I am leary to try again. He spent the eight weeks doing back flips to remove the collar and didn't get much else from the class but how to get it off. The prong isn't really something I would consider for an IS. What are your thoughts on collar requirements or you can't take their class. Mind you they have no other IS in the classes. Nor have they ever had one expect for Mary who Dublin was her first. Sue, I have to say I agree wi…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-05-05:865021:Comment:3197922010-05-05T22:42:45.866ZKatie Rogershttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/KatieRogers
Sue, I have to say I agree with you. I would much prefer a forward going dog that I have to train to hold back a bit than one I have to encourage to get up and go. She is just lovely when she is moving out and I can't wait to get her really well trained and competing. She should be a blast!!
Sue, I have to say I agree with you. I would much prefer a forward going dog that I have to train to hold back a bit than one I have to encourage to get up and go. She is just lovely when she is moving out and I can't wait to get her really well trained and competing. She should be a blast!! Cash is dragging me into the…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-05-05:865021:Comment:3197862010-05-05T22:12:25.156ZSue and Cashhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/SusanLoconsole
Cash is dragging me into the woods everyday now. His tail going crazy, he is ready to get running and find his birds and I am the anchor or party pooper at the end of the leash holding him back from fun. Oddly though he will sit perfect for the release, like a pillar, just pulls like a truck to the gate. Our evening stroll now is mainly training to walk nice. We haven't left our front sidewalk yet since I change direction every pull. Weeks of just back and forth in front! I think the neighbors…
Cash is dragging me into the woods everyday now. His tail going crazy, he is ready to get running and find his birds and I am the anchor or party pooper at the end of the leash holding him back from fun. Oddly though he will sit perfect for the release, like a pillar, just pulls like a truck to the gate. Our evening stroll now is mainly training to walk nice. We haven't left our front sidewalk yet since I change direction every pull. Weeks of just back and forth in front! I think the neighbors wonder what in the heck I am doing. I have heard the same thing f…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-05-05:865021:Comment:3197592010-05-05T21:20:24.480ZJo Ottingerhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/tizlady
I have heard the same thing from so many show owners for years since I had my first show Aussie. Funny when at conformation classes trainer would say she loved my trained Aussie as she would behave and moved out so well in class. She learned the difference between the collars on what she was to do. Just used different commands for what I needed her to do. Saved wear and tear on my shoulders also.
I have heard the same thing from so many show owners for years since I had my first show Aussie. Funny when at conformation classes trainer would say she loved my trained Aussie as she would behave and moved out so well in class. She learned the difference between the collars on what she was to do. Just used different commands for what I needed her to do. Saved wear and tear on my shoulders also. That seems a bit silly to me.…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-05-05:865021:Comment:3196542010-05-05T19:00:35.511ZKatie Rogershttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/KatieRogers
That seems a bit silly to me. I surely won't trade a well behaved dog for a Champion title. I think with work there is always a way to have both. These dogs are very smart and can learn anything we are willing to take the time to teach them. Yes, GiGi is almost 7 months and probably 45-50 lbs. so not teaching her to walk nicely on a leash is NOT an option since she weighs nearly half what I do already!!
That seems a bit silly to me. I surely won't trade a well behaved dog for a Champion title. I think with work there is always a way to have both. These dogs are very smart and can learn anything we are willing to take the time to teach them. Yes, GiGi is almost 7 months and probably 45-50 lbs. so not teaching her to walk nicely on a leash is NOT an option since she weighs nearly half what I do already!! Same here I have to figure ou…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2010-05-05:865021:Comment:3196412010-05-05T18:10:23.130ZJo Ottingerhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/tizlady
Same here I have to figure out what I am doing that is confusing Hawk.
Same here I have to figure out what I am doing that is confusing Hawk.