rcd1 in IRWS? - Exclusively Setters2024-03-28T20:26:31Zhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/rcd1-in-irws?commentId=865021%3AComment%3A907468&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noDr Sarah Blott is the Quantat…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-13:865021:Comment:9074682012-03-13T08:32:29.333ZAnn Millingtonhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Vollut
<p>Dr Sarah Blott is the Quantatative Geneticist at the AHT and my conversation with her actually had nothing to do with outcrossing of any kind. There are other things to talk about, you know.</p>
<p>Dr Sarah Blott is the Quantatative Geneticist at the AHT and my conversation with her actually had nothing to do with outcrossing of any kind. There are other things to talk about, you know.</p> The very one! When we were at…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-13:865021:Comment:9072482012-03-13T07:53:23.281ZOssianhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Ossian
<p>The very one! When we were at the height of the investigation into rcd4 in Gordons she announcd at a godon health seminar that we needn't worry as we could ourcross to the other Setter breeds....the silence in the room was charged!!!</p>
<p>The very one! When we were at the height of the investigation into rcd4 in Gordons she announcd at a godon health seminar that we needn't worry as we could ourcross to the other Setter breeds....the silence in the room was charged!!!</p> Were you discussing an outcro…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-12:865021:Comment:9069062012-03-12T20:49:02.540Zterry o learyhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/terryoleary
<p>Were you discussing an outcross programme for IRWS in GB with Sarah Blott on behalf of the GB IRWSC. Is she the same lady who stated Irish Red Setters ,English Setters and Gordons could be used in any future outcross programme in GB for IRWS.</p>
<p>Were you discussing an outcross programme for IRWS in GB with Sarah Blott on behalf of the GB IRWSC. Is she the same lady who stated Irish Red Setters ,English Setters and Gordons could be used in any future outcross programme in GB for IRWS.</p> Nothing more to report in IR…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-12:865021:Comment:9068722012-03-12T15:52:56.133ZMargaret Sierakowskihttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/MargaretSierakowski
<p>Nothing more to report in IRWS.</p>
<p>The working English Setters in Norway are a very long way removed from the show English Setters in the UK, and likely to have some mixed ancestry including Gordons and possibly Irish Setter too. I'm not in the least surprised to hear rcd4 has shown up there</p>
<p>Nothing more to report in IRWS.</p>
<p>The working English Setters in Norway are a very long way removed from the show English Setters in the UK, and likely to have some mixed ancestry including Gordons and possibly Irish Setter too. I'm not in the least surprised to hear rcd4 has shown up there</p> Interesting! English Setters…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-12:865021:Comment:9067302012-03-12T15:36:49.761ZAnn Millingtonhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Vollut
<p>Interesting! English Setters in Norway, then? I presume they have UK breeding behind them... although the ES is a popular working setter in continental countries they have perhaps gone a long way from UK roots - or have they?</p>
<p>There is no mention of English Setter eye problems on websites here in the UK, Their problems seem to be hips, skin, thyroid and deafness. I can't remember having seen any BVA/KC/ISDS eye test results in the Breed Records Supplement either.</p>
<p>Did you find…</p>
<p>Interesting! English Setters in Norway, then? I presume they have UK breeding behind them... although the ES is a popular working setter in continental countries they have perhaps gone a long way from UK roots - or have they?</p>
<p>There is no mention of English Setter eye problems on websites here in the UK, Their problems seem to be hips, skin, thyroid and deafness. I can't remember having seen any BVA/KC/ISDS eye test results in the Breed Records Supplement either.</p>
<p>Did you find out if there has been any more IRWS PRA? I missed Cathryn, but spent some time speaking to Sarah Blott and Gary Johnson.....</p>
<p> </p> I had an update on rcd4 in En…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-12:865021:Comment:9065862012-03-12T11:56:47.708ZMargaret Sierakowskihttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/MargaretSierakowski
<p>I had an update on rcd4 in English Setters while talking to Cathryn Mellersh at Crufts on Friday . It seems rcd4 has been confirmed in some working English Setters in Norway. Now does that surprise me? Not a lot ;))</p>
<p>I had an update on rcd4 in English Setters while talking to Cathryn Mellersh at Crufts on Friday . It seems rcd4 has been confirmed in some working English Setters in Norway. Now does that surprise me? Not a lot ;))</p> If it is rcd 1 then as that i…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-02:865021:Comment:9022972012-03-02T11:31:17.822ZJane Mugfordhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/lynwood
<p>If it is rcd 1 then as that is early onset if IRWS had it it would be fairly obvious even without testing.</p>
<p>If it is rcd 1 then as that is early onset if IRWS had it it would be fairly obvious even without testing.</p> Maybe they are not testing? M…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-02:865021:Comment:9023692012-03-02T11:01:34.175ZOssianhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Ossian
<p>Maybe they are not testing? Maybe they are not saying? You have to think though that if IS have it the only way IRWS dont have it is if there is some other suppressant gene (perhaps to do with colour) in the red and white.</p>
<p>Personally I think the AHT have realised tha yopu can peddle fear especially if you suspect dishonesty (that is my cynical belief)</p>
<p>Maybe they are not testing? Maybe they are not saying? You have to think though that if IS have it the only way IRWS dont have it is if there is some other suppressant gene (perhaps to do with colour) in the red and white.</p>
<p>Personally I think the AHT have realised tha yopu can peddle fear especially if you suspect dishonesty (that is my cynical belief)</p> In Gordons initial studies we…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-02:865021:Comment:9023652012-03-02T10:04:27.612ZOssianhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Ossian
<p>In Gordons initial studies were conducted on 10yo and over and then moved to 8 and over.</p>
<p>As most of us with older dogs will realise many of them present signs of failing sight which we attribute to "old age" and will not be diagnosed.</p>
<p>Commendable that IRWS are testing "breeding stock" but if the PRA is late onset is it being missed in a general eye test and only picked up in a blood analysis?</p>
<p>In Gordons initial studies were conducted on 10yo and over and then moved to 8 and over.</p>
<p>As most of us with older dogs will realise many of them present signs of failing sight which we attribute to "old age" and will not be diagnosed.</p>
<p>Commendable that IRWS are testing "breeding stock" but if the PRA is late onset is it being missed in a general eye test and only picked up in a blood analysis?</p> Mel I can understand your cyn…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2012-03-02:865021:Comment:9020632012-03-02T09:55:51.412ZOssianhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Ossian
<p>Mel I can understand your cynicism - they are making a lot of money but they are all weve got!</p>
<p>The Gordoners I think managed AHT very well, monitored them throughout, provided intelligent contacts who queried their findings and were incredibly homest about the health of their stock.</p>
<p>Perhaps you are right, maybe some greedy geneticist has realised that there is money to ve made in declaring a breed is carrying an inherited defect but the upside is that dogs are tested and…</p>
<p>Mel I can understand your cynicism - they are making a lot of money but they are all weve got!</p>
<p>The Gordoners I think managed AHT very well, monitored them throughout, provided intelligent contacts who queried their findings and were incredibly homest about the health of their stock.</p>
<p>Perhaps you are right, maybe some greedy geneticist has realised that there is money to ve made in declaring a breed is carrying an inherited defect but the upside is that dogs are tested and breeders who denied problems are eventually tracked down. DNA leaves very few places to hide</p>
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