Sire is 34 years old!! - Exclusively Setters2024-03-29T09:04:17Zhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/sire-is-34-years-old?commentId=865021%3AComment%3A179395&feed=yes&xn_auth=noAs far as I know, the person…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-05-13:865021:Comment:1967352009-05-13T08:46:51.175ZMichelle Websterhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/hooley
As far as I know, the person responsible said that she was making a point about dogs getting through that didn't qualify and that the KC were not doing the checks they are supposed to be doing. She said that certain people wouldn't believe her when she repeatedly told them about this, so entered this dead dog to 'prove her point'. Since this came to light she seems to have gone to ground. This is not someone who is green,but an experienced dog person, so it's all the more surprising that they…
As far as I know, the person responsible said that she was making a point about dogs getting through that didn't qualify and that the KC were not doing the checks they are supposed to be doing. She said that certain people wouldn't believe her when she repeatedly told them about this, so entered this dead dog to 'prove her point'. Since this came to light she seems to have gone to ground. This is not someone who is green,but an experienced dog person, so it's all the more surprising that they were prepared to falsify documents like this, knowing the possible consequences. They've certainly got more money that I have if they can afford to chuck it away like that!<br />
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I actually DO think that it matters that only dogs who qualify are entered, after all that's supposed to be the whole point of Crufts isn't it, only for the creme de la creme and all that. I've always thought that it would be a good idea to print in the catalogue exactly which show the dogs qualified at and what they won to qualify. When I was out with Fergus and did every ch sh, there were still dogs enetered at Crufts each year that I hadn't heard of and hadn't come across and I was left wondering which show they'd qualified at and how I wasn't aware of them at least, if I'd done every show. Seems it's the same in every breed, not just ours. The person concerned is under the impression that because she entered the dog under someone else's name they can't trace her, but Jeremy managed to trace her very easily. I would like to know the outcome of this and what the KC do about it. I do agree with you though, it does seem to be going to extremes to cause all this upset just to make a point. I think what the point is:- t…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-05-13:865021:Comment:1967192009-05-13T08:27:19.290ZDee Rancehttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/DeeRance
I think what the point is:- they check on silly things, like my dog is in partnership and I always sign for all, but on my Crufts entry I have had the whole lot check and all sent back to me saying that ALL owners should sign, and that is not really possible, I don't live near the other owners and haven't really spoken to them (socially) for a very long time, and there is always the chance of things getting lost in the post over this period, so what do you do??? and there are some out there…
I think what the point is:- they check on silly things, like my dog is in partnership and I always sign for all, but on my Crufts entry I have had the whole lot check and all sent back to me saying that ALL owners should sign, and that is not really possible, I don't live near the other owners and haven't really spoken to them (socially) for a very long time, and there is always the chance of things getting lost in the post over this period, so what do you do??? and there are some out there who's partners are now deceased, how does one get around that, a Medium signing for them???<br />
and while they are checking for these things they aren't checking for the qualifying part on the entry form, or is it, that so long as there is something written there that is enough????..and no it isn't ''life or death'' but there are many dogs that get to Crufts via the 'old boy network' do we need any more, (and I am not just talking about Irish Setters here) People say that Crufts is for the 'cream de la cream' of a breed, come on lets not be stupid her, we all know that it isn't like that, a lot are there because of ''who you know not what you know..'' and this 34 year old dog is a classic example of how easy it is to enter anything, not only was there NO qualification but the date of birth was WRONG and so was the OWNER WRONG so this is not just ONE thing it was MANY...and yes the people or person that did this must have plenty of money, if it was more than one then...easy....a couple of quid each, no problem.... Yes michelle, you did explain…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-05-13:865021:Comment:1966992009-05-13T06:15:51.363ZDawn Riddellhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/DawnRiddell
Yes michelle, you did explain, but what I don't understand, is what was to be gained by the person who did this.<br />
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Was it to force the Kennel Club into actualy doing the checks? If so, how will we ever know it worked.<br />
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I'm not condoning fraud, and I'm not into breaking rules myself, but does it really matter if a few dogs get to Crufts that didn't qualify? I think we could be in danger of taking it all a bit too seriously. None of this is ''life and death'' After all, if these dogs didn't…
Yes michelle, you did explain, but what I don't understand, is what was to be gained by the person who did this.<br />
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Was it to force the Kennel Club into actualy doing the checks? If so, how will we ever know it worked.<br />
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I'm not condoning fraud, and I'm not into breaking rules myself, but does it really matter if a few dogs get to Crufts that didn't qualify? I think we could be in danger of taking it all a bit too seriously. None of this is ''life and death'' After all, if these dogs didn't qualify, they aren't likely to steal any prizes away from the more deserving dogs. (assuming of course that all judging is always honest) and that's what were supposed to believe isn't it?<br />
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So I still don't get the point. See my entries for April 13th…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-05-12:865021:Comment:1966502009-05-12T22:04:27.016ZMichelle Websterhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/hooley
See my entries for April 13th & 14th. I thought I'd explained the thinking behind this.
See my entries for April 13th & 14th. I thought I'd explained the thinking behind this. Not that I have heard Barbara…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-05-12:865021:Comment:1966382009-05-12T21:26:45.543ZDawn Riddellhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/DawnRiddell
Not that I have heard Barbara. Jeremy did write a piece in the Our Dogs breed notes, and said at the time that it was a deliberate attempt to embarrass the KC, seemingly to prove that no checks were made regarding Crufts entry qualifications. Not sure of the point of that though!<br />
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Must have plenty of money, whoever can afford that sort of prank.
Not that I have heard Barbara. Jeremy did write a piece in the Our Dogs breed notes, and said at the time that it was a deliberate attempt to embarrass the KC, seemingly to prove that no checks were made regarding Crufts entry qualifications. Not sure of the point of that though!<br />
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Must have plenty of money, whoever can afford that sort of prank. Brilliant!! Perhaps I should…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-04-14:865021:Comment:1839412009-04-14T16:25:41.526ZMichelle Websterhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/hooley
Brilliant!! Perhaps I should enter Fergus and see if he can win that 3rd CC!!!! Do you think anyone would notice he was in a casket?<br />
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Brilliant!! Perhaps I should enter Fergus and see if he can win that 3rd CC!!!! Do you think anyone would notice he was in a casket?<br />
Michelle Good idea Colette it would gi…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-04-14:865021:Comment:1839352009-04-14T16:13:44.778ZDee Rancehttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/DeeRance
Good idea Colette it would give us somewhere to put the 'booze'
Good idea Colette it would give us somewhere to put the 'booze' How about the owners doing th…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-04-14:865021:Comment:1839042009-04-14T14:15:22.817Zcolette tuitehttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/colettetuite
How about the owners doing the same thing next year and the exclusively setters get together for 2010 can use his bench as the meeting place venue and we all can drink a toast To Adonis.<br />
Cheers to Adonis!!!
How about the owners doing the same thing next year and the exclusively setters get together for 2010 can use his bench as the meeting place venue and we all can drink a toast To Adonis.<br />
Cheers to Adonis!!! I couldn't agree more. Those…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-04-14:865021:Comment:1838962009-04-14T13:40:11.083ZMichelle Websterhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/hooley
I couldn't agree more. Those were my first thoughts when I had this explained to me, but the person in question didn't seem to think there would be any come back, OR that they had breached any rules, but look how hard the KC can come down on you if you inadvertently put down incorrect details on your entry form, never mind about doing it deliberately. It beggars belief really. Te person did not sell the dog or re-home it, so like you say they could be in for an unwelcome surprise. When I first…
I couldn't agree more. Those were my first thoughts when I had this explained to me, but the person in question didn't seem to think there would be any come back, OR that they had breached any rules, but look how hard the KC can come down on you if you inadvertently put down incorrect details on your entry form, never mind about doing it deliberately. It beggars belief really. Te person did not sell the dog or re-home it, so like you say they could be in for an unwelcome surprise. When I first found out about this my concern was for the person who owned the dog, thinking they should know that someone had fraudulently entered their dog, so was stunned to be told that this wasn't the case and not only did they know all about it, but had instigated it! I don't get the KC Gazette, so you'll have to keep us informed of devlopments Colette.<br />
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Michelle Well i suppose that falsifyin…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2009-04-14:865021:Comment:1837992009-04-14T11:49:45.294Zcolette tuitehttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/colettetuite
Well i suppose that falsifying the info provided on the entry such as qualification ,date of birth,owner details perhaps could breach kennel club rules ??where upon the fine could be £50 (that is if they could trace the supposed owner!!!!.If the registered owners had rehomed, and a transfer hadnt been done the original owners might be in for a rather unexpected surprise), that is if the kennel club considered that a breach had occurred or a complaint being made..<br />
It might not look good for the…
Well i suppose that falsifying the info provided on the entry such as qualification ,date of birth,owner details perhaps could breach kennel club rules ??where upon the fine could be £50 (that is if they could trace the supposed owner!!!!.If the registered owners had rehomed, and a transfer hadnt been done the original owners might be in for a rather unexpected surprise), that is if the kennel club considered that a breach had occurred or a complaint being made..<br />
It might not look good for the KC,so wait and see forth coming editions of the kennel gazette.