Thank you :)) - Exclusively Setters2024-03-28T23:22:26Zhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/thank-you?feed=yes&xn_auth=noYes the Roo tails are great,…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2013-02-02:865021:Comment:10447232013-02-02T09:26:15.471ZDianne cookhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Diannecook
Yes the Roo tails are great, I'll give them a go with him. Thanks Fran
Yes the Roo tails are great, I'll give them a go with him. Thanks Fran Those Roo tails sound really…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2013-02-01:865021:Comment:10445232013-02-01T18:17:16.505ZFran Griffinhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/FranGriffin
<p>Those Roo tails sound really good, providing he's not showing any signs of pain, sicking up remains the following morning and what comes out the other end is looking good. The thing to be concerned about is that he is digesting them ok :-)</p>
<p>Those Roo tails sound really good, providing he's not showing any signs of pain, sicking up remains the following morning and what comes out the other end is looking good. The thing to be concerned about is that he is digesting them ok :-)</p> Ps...just read your reply Mel…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2013-02-01:865021:Comment:10444242013-02-01T01:42:37.035ZDianne cookhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Diannecook
Ps...just read your reply Mel. I felt exactly the same about chicken wings but I'm fine to go back to them, I really do need to put Flames ordeal behind him and myself. Your feeding ways sound great. Thank you :))
Ps...just read your reply Mel. I felt exactly the same about chicken wings but I'm fine to go back to them, I really do need to put Flames ordeal behind him and myself. Your feeding ways sound great. Thank you :)) Thanks Mel, with all the advi…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2013-02-01:865021:Comment:10444232013-02-01T01:36:40.659ZDianne cookhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Diannecook
Thanks Mel, with all the advice I've received it seems for once I just maybe on the right path which makes me very happy. Young Ruby seems to be a little like Flame, so I guess at least I'm making some ground work with their diet and hopefully she will gain wait. It seems weight in Irish setters is discussed often on ES, at least I'm not alone. Many thanks Mel :)
Thanks Mel, with all the advice I've received it seems for once I just maybe on the right path which makes me very happy. Young Ruby seems to be a little like Flame, so I guess at least I'm making some ground work with their diet and hopefully she will gain wait. It seems weight in Irish setters is discussed often on ES, at least I'm not alone. Many thanks Mel :) Thanks Fran for your advice,…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2013-02-01:865021:Comment:10444992013-02-01T00:15:58.754ZDianne cookhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Diannecook
Thanks Fran for your advice, the farm dog seems to always live long happy healthy life :) !. I must confess I use to cook a big pot of stodge for my dogs with pasta chicken mince, veg and rice, I thought I was doing the right thing. With changing to the fresh meat which I'll never know if that's why they are better but I honestly didn't like what I was feeding them I just wasn't sure what to change to. When Flame suffered GDV, I thought I must look for something better to go with their kibble…
Thanks Fran for your advice, the farm dog seems to always live long happy healthy life :) !. I must confess I use to cook a big pot of stodge for my dogs with pasta chicken mince, veg and rice, I thought I was doing the right thing. With changing to the fresh meat which I'll never know if that's why they are better but I honestly didn't like what I was feeding them I just wasn't sure what to change to. When Flame suffered GDV, I thought I must look for something better to go with their kibble which is a US made one, the raw meat is definitely better at this stage. I do have fresh Roo tails which are very lean meat with a more like cartilage than bone going through the middle ( not unlike a neck of a sheep ) do you think they would be ok? As the specialist who did the surgery on Flame wrote on he's release paperwork, no bones ! I am sorry too Fran that you have had to deal with GDV in one of your setters. Take care. The omnivore carnivore argume…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2013-01-31:865021:Comment:10443962013-01-31T15:49:27.584ZFran Griffinhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/FranGriffin
<p>The omnivore carnivore argument seems to be on the physiology, that dogs jaws only move in an up/down movement, whereas omnivores can move up/down side to side. Dogs have been shown to be able to process some starches, but I would suggest that these are complex unprocessed carbohydrates (fiber) and not over cooked and highly processed carbs which are causing so many problems for humans, let alone a species whose diet is vastly carnivore.</p>
<p>One of my old dogs did have GDV and he did…</p>
<p>The omnivore carnivore argument seems to be on the physiology, that dogs jaws only move in an up/down movement, whereas omnivores can move up/down side to side. Dogs have been shown to be able to process some starches, but I would suggest that these are complex unprocessed carbohydrates (fiber) and not over cooked and highly processed carbs which are causing so many problems for humans, let alone a species whose diet is vastly carnivore.</p>
<p>One of my old dogs did have GDV and he did much better on Nature Diet in the end than the prescription diet the vet provided Nature Diet is lightly cooked meat, some veg and rice which contains bone meal. He was one of the first dogs to be fed Nature Diet in the UK in the days when ND was a very small company based in Surrey. It was very gentle on his digestive system.. It was because of this dog that I started looking into raw feeding and decided to stick with it once I had made the switch. </p>
<p>My view was and always has been, that I go on the results of what I put inside my dogs, and put inside myself and adjust accordingly depending on what the outcome (literally) is. </p>
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<p>I have read the arguments between Lonsdale and Billinghurst. There are things to be said for both sides. Ideally my dogs would go out and catch their own food and eat what they caught, that would be the most natural way and probably the healthiest way. One of the fittest and healthiest dogs I ever met live to 21 years, lived on a local farm, caught and ate his own food, and never once entered a veterinary surgery. He died peacefully at home. Unfortunately, where I live now, this is not possible for my dogs and just not practical for most dog owners. I do believe dogs are more adaptable than Lonsdale suggests, hence the reason why they have evolved from being wolves.</p>
<p>I also do not believe that high protein/low protein really comes into it. Its the quality of those proteins which count. If they are highly processed, and altered by the processes, then long term, that cannot be good for man nor beast of any description.</p>
<p></p> Being an Australian and havin…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2013-01-31:865021:Comment:10441402013-01-31T01:38:17.738ZFinding_Beauhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/HammerBeau
<p>Being an Australian and having read the books of both Tom Lonsdale and Ian Billinghurst, I disagree with both these vets in some areas. These vets disagree themselves on whether a dog is an omnivore or carnivore. In fact, Tom Lonsdale has publicly degraded Ian Billinghurst.</p>
<p>My research might be incorrect but I believe bones usually contain higher protein content than meat.</p>
<p>Have your IS suffered GDV, Mel? If not, your comments might not be completely relevant for…</p>
<p>Being an Australian and having read the books of both Tom Lonsdale and Ian Billinghurst, I disagree with both these vets in some areas. These vets disagree themselves on whether a dog is an omnivore or carnivore. In fact, Tom Lonsdale has publicly degraded Ian Billinghurst.</p>
<p>My research might be incorrect but I believe bones usually contain higher protein content than meat.</p>
<p>Have your IS suffered GDV, Mel? If not, your comments might not be completely relevant for Flame.</p>
<p>The PetzLife is a wonderful product for cleaning dogs teeth. Please do not disregard this. I have told many owners of elderly dogs about this product and they are so grateful.</p> Hi Dianne
I will get back to…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2013-01-31:865021:Comment:10439632013-01-31T00:44:38.219ZFinding_Beauhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/HammerBeau
<p>Hi Dianne</p>
<p>I will get back to you on this when I can. I do not want to rush my reply. We have just survived the worst cyclone in the 16 years I have lived on this property. <em>We have not had power or water for 4 days</em>. My property is a battle ground with uprooted trees, trees split in half, branches everywhere. Hobson has really struggled because this is the worst time of the year for him with the high humidity and I have had no power to cool him and no water to bath him. He…</p>
<p>Hi Dianne</p>
<p>I will get back to you on this when I can. I do not want to rush my reply. We have just survived the worst cyclone in the 16 years I have lived on this property. <em>We have not had power or water for 4 days</em>. My property is a battle ground with uprooted trees, trees split in half, branches everywhere. Hobson has really struggled because this is the worst time of the year for him with the high humidity and I have had no power to cool him and no water to bath him. He needs to be bathed every 5 days or less. I have not seen my white faced heron bird friend, Sam since before the cyclone hit on Sunday. I am so worried about him. My baby butcher bird was killed. I have a lot to do in the next week. Also, one of my very best friends died last Saturday.</p>
<p>What I've noticed a lot about ES forum topics is that some members do not read the topic properly. Flame might be different from Hobson but I have to be very careful giving Hobson bones, even organic chicken wings. I think I said this in one of my responses. Hobson will tell me though because he will not eat these wings. Hobson had been fed a natural diet his entire life and he used to have a strong digestive system until GDV.</p>
<p>What I've learned the hard way is to trust my own intuition and my knowlege of my dogs and horses. Go with your own instinct with Flame but keep everything natural to ease the load on the digestive system. He also needs help with his immune system. When I purchased my long haired dachshund, Benmore in 1984 the breeder told me to give him an Ester-C 625mg tablet daily. I have tried other forms of Vitamin C but have always come back to this. I would give this to Flame. I will get back to you about the supplements. Susan</p> Mel, why RC German Shepherd?…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2013-01-28:865021:Comment:10428242013-01-28T06:01:25.078ZDavid McIlveen Wrighthttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/DavidMcIlveenWright
<p>Mel, why RC German Shepherd? What is special about this one?</p>
<p>We use RC Junior Maxi, among other RC products for Mac, mixed with pate or chicken or the like. Darwin has a liver ailment, possibly an internal shunt, so he is on the hepatic version. They get chicken wings too..</p>
<p>Mel, why RC German Shepherd? What is special about this one?</p>
<p>We use RC Junior Maxi, among other RC products for Mac, mixed with pate or chicken or the like. Darwin has a liver ailment, possibly an internal shunt, so he is on the hepatic version. They get chicken wings too..</p> Hi Sue, thanks for your chew…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2013-01-28:865021:Comment:10429092013-01-28T05:18:33.292ZDianne cookhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/Diannecook
Hi Sue, thanks for your chew suggestions....funny I envisaged my setters trying to get out of the French doors in our home with a pair of Stag Antlers lol. They sound fantastic or even the chews, I guess similar to our Kangaroo chews. Our son is a dairy farmer and he said the Kelpie and border collie working dogs absolutely adore the cow horns....I thought Yuk, my son assured me there completely natural and the dogs chew them for hours and no animal has lost it's life to feed my pooches :)) so…
Hi Sue, thanks for your chew suggestions....funny I envisaged my setters trying to get out of the French doors in our home with a pair of Stag Antlers lol. They sound fantastic or even the chews, I guess similar to our Kangaroo chews. Our son is a dairy farmer and he said the Kelpie and border collie working dogs absolutely adore the cow horns....I thought Yuk, my son assured me there completely natural and the dogs chew them for hours and no animal has lost it's life to feed my pooches :)) so to me they sound similar to your stag antlers, I'm going to give them ago. Hopefully our Irish don't think there too good for them lol....since the farm dogs eat them :)) take care Dianne and Irish.