What are the requirements in your country for a Championship Title - Exclusively Setters2024-03-29T08:28:09Zhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/forum/topics/what-are-the-requirements-in?feed=yes&xn_auth=noI think that sounds good, som…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-03-31:865021:Comment:5312732011-03-31T09:08:01.243ZPeter Hennighttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/PeterHennig
I think that sounds good, something to aim for, little rewards along the way
I think that sounds good, something to aim for, little rewards along the way Thanks John it looks like no…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-03-30:865021:Comment:5300732011-03-30T09:38:18.036ZPeter Hennighttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/PeterHennig
Thanks John it looks like no easy task to get a US Grand Champ, our rules have only recently changed you needed just the 1000 points only, but it was discovered if you have a rare breed with virtually no competition you needed 166 challenges to get the Grand title, you could claim the title and never have beaten another dog. So it was changed to include wins against your own breed and against other breeds/groups
Thanks John it looks like no easy task to get a US Grand Champ, our rules have only recently changed you needed just the 1000 points only, but it was discovered if you have a rare breed with virtually no competition you needed 166 challenges to get the Grand title, you could claim the title and never have beaten another dog. So it was changed to include wins against your own breed and against other breeds/groups US Grand Champion:
Grand Cham…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-03-30:865021:Comment:5294982011-03-30T05:40:04.044ZJohn B. Hughes/Absinthehttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/JohnBHughesDDS
US Grand Champion:<br />
<p><strong>Grand Championship points may be awarded to eligible dogs as follows:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Best of Breed – All dogs of both sexes in the breed or variety exhibited in the regular classes and Best of Breed competition will be counted</li>
<li>Best of Opposite Sex to Best of Breed – All dogs of the same sex in the breed or variety exhibited in the regular classes and Best of Breed competition will be counted</li>
<li>Select Dog or Select Bitch – The total number of…</li>
</ul>
US Grand Champion:<br />
<p><strong>Grand Championship points may be awarded to eligible dogs as follows:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Best of Breed – All dogs of both sexes in the breed or variety exhibited in the regular classes and Best of Breed competition will be counted</li>
<li>Best of Opposite Sex to Best of Breed – All dogs of the same sex in the breed or variety exhibited in the regular classes and Best of Breed competition will be counted</li>
<li>Select Dog or Select Bitch – The total number of dogs of the same sex in the breed/variety defeated in the regular classes and BOB competition will be counted. (i.e. 2 dogs less than the total number of the same sex)</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Completion of the title requires all of the following:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Twenty five Grand Championship points</li>
<li>Three "majors" (three or more points earned at a single show) won under three different judges</li>
<li>At least one or more of these points won under a fourth judge</li>
<li>Must have defeated at least one other AKC Champion of Record at three shows</li>
</ul> All seems a bit...pointless t…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-03-30:865021:Comment:5294942011-03-30T01:21:43.238ZMelinda Auldhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/MelindaAuld
All seems a bit...pointless to me lol
All seems a bit...pointless to me lol Hi Michelle
Do you know if…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-03-30:865021:Comment:5294932011-03-30T01:11:40.460ZMelinda Auldhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/MelindaAuld
<p>Hi Michelle</p>
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<p>Do you know if those proposed new titles will be added to the dog's official name? Or will it just be like a certificate or something for the owner to put on the wall?</p>
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<p>Hi Michelle</p>
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<p>Do you know if those proposed new titles will be added to the dog's official name? Or will it just be like a certificate or something for the owner to put on the wall?</p>
<p> </p> Peter......thanks, I was just…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-03-29:865021:Comment:5287762011-03-29T12:03:29.101Zeva ciechonskahttps://irishsetters.ning.com/xn/detail/u_0gijg39gsgi1q
<p>Peter......thanks, I was just going to ask you about criteria for becoming a Grand Champion. It follows, therefore, that your champions compete for the challenge like ours. Yours accumulate points for a further accolade, whereas ours just accumulate challenge certificates.</p>
<p>You do not have the title of 'show' or 'bench' champion so can (or do) your show dogs compete for field trial qualifications? Does that add a further title? In many European countries (ie Sweden) in IS you have…</p>
<p>Peter......thanks, I was just going to ask you about criteria for becoming a Grand Champion. It follows, therefore, that your champions compete for the challenge like ours. Yours accumulate points for a further accolade, whereas ours just accumulate challenge certificates.</p>
<p>You do not have the title of 'show' or 'bench' champion so can (or do) your show dogs compete for field trial qualifications? Does that add a further title? In many European countries (ie Sweden) in IS you have to qualify in the field before you can add 'champion' to your dog's name, regardless how many challenges it may win. It seems harsh. I hope, like you, that more members contribute to this discussion.</p>
<p>Incidentally, our entries are falling too. Gone are the days where we had in excess of 400 dogs at the breed shows. Crufts pulls in the biggest entry these days but many overseas dogs enter which adds to the magic.</p>
<p>Our registrations are also falling. We are now behind Hungarian Viszlas and Weimeraners.</p> Hi Melinda slightly off topic…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-03-29:865021:Comment:5281922011-03-29T10:24:11.681ZPeter Hennighttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/PeterHennig
Hi Melinda slightly off topic what is IMHO?
Hi Melinda slightly off topic what is IMHO? We also have a title Grand Ch…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-03-29:865021:Comment:5284722011-03-29T10:21:39.877ZPeter Hennighttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/PeterHennig
We also have a title Grand Champion , you need 1000 points and one BIS or four BIG or four challenges of 25 points
We also have a title Grand Champion , you need 1000 points and one BIS or four BIG or four challenges of 25 points We don't have a no champions…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-03-29:865021:Comment:5283892011-03-29T10:05:11.164ZMelinda Auldhttps://irishsetters.ning.com/profile/MelindaAuld
<p>We don't have a no champions class, here - or a champion's class, for that matter (thank god - because IMHO, it renders the whole point of showing...well, pointless!).</p>
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<p>We do have restricted parades, at which champions cannot compete at all. But there are also no points on offer at these shows. They are good shows for babies and young dogs to learn a bit about ringcraft.</p>
<p>We don't have a no champions class, here - or a champion's class, for that matter (thank god - because IMHO, it renders the whole point of showing...well, pointless!).</p>
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<p>We do have restricted parades, at which champions cannot compete at all. But there are also no points on offer at these shows. They are good shows for babies and young dogs to learn a bit about ringcraft.</p> All breeds which are seperate…tag:irishsetters.ning.com,2011-03-29:865021:Comment:5283832011-03-29T09:44:56.523Zeva ciechonskahttps://irishsetters.ning.com/xn/detail/u_0gijg39gsgi1q
<p>All breeds which are seperately classified and scheduled are entitled to compete within their respective groups regardless whether cc's are awarded or not. As is the best ajudged exhibit from the Any Vatiety Not Seperately Classified (AVNSC) classes in that group. It is the KC who decide which breeds are eligible for cc's and at which shows they can be awarded. We are lucky in IS because we have cc's for every show but many breeds don't. Winning 3 cc's under three different judges is…</p>
<p>All breeds which are seperately classified and scheduled are entitled to compete within their respective groups regardless whether cc's are awarded or not. As is the best ajudged exhibit from the Any Vatiety Not Seperately Classified (AVNSC) classes in that group. It is the KC who decide which breeds are eligible for cc's and at which shows they can be awarded. We are lucky in IS because we have cc's for every show but many breeds don't. Winning 3 cc's under three different judges is the ONLY way a dog can become a champion/show champion in the UK. As champions are not excluded from cc competition it makes it that much more difficult to get a dog made up but, hey it is the best on the day and if that is a champion then the champion gets it. There are arguments for and against this system. I personally believe that it seems far too easy to make up a dog in many countries, especially in Europe, and if you have enough money you can go pot hunting to accumulate titles, very often in entries of half a dozen exhibits in each sex. </p>
<p>Sue, there was a time when yearling certainly didn't qualify and I can honestly say that I could not tell you when the change occured.</p>
<p>I think it must be harder for a dog to become a champion in the UK. Partly because of the greater entries we get so the competition would be stiffer and partly because champions/show champions can compete for cc's Also judges are allowed to withold awarding cc's from exhibits which, in their opinion, are inferior even though they might have won their respective classes. The award is not automatic. I have seen it done many times over the years but, luckily, never in IS. </p>