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A "whipsett", a Gorpet?? A bl***y disaster?

I have been reading the outcross debate and some of the other stuff on here this week and I know there are some fine minds and caring people on ES! I am not a crusader, quite the opposite, but as a Setter owner and lover I have to highlight this!!

In the main we cross Seters by accident and when we see Lab x doodles and schmoozies and god knows what else we get annoyed but dont think much more.

Yesterday evening I came across an advert for puppies.

A "pet home" is advertsing Gordon x whippet for £300. There is a pic of a spindly orange puppy (cute at that age I suppose)

The Gordon community in UK is not large and I have subsequently discovered that the Gordon bitch has allegedly had a litter ever season and the "pet home" is not.

We quibble and bicker on here about all sorts of things but if we could do some good too?

Follow up on pups

Keep an eye on for sale ads on the net

Be nosy and report things that dont seem right

PLEASE dont condone these designer breeds anymore

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Hi Sue.

Some breeders of pedigree dogs are not helping the situation for dogs in rescue centres. Some bad breeders produce litter after litter and are not interested in who buys the pups or what happens to them and have no respect for the breeding bitches. This is not just a problem with designer dogs. We all know that breeding is not an exact science and even after doing all the homework, things do not always go to plan. As for getting one from a rescue, we did try that. Some people on this site will tell us the rescue centres are full of them, but believe me that is not true. In fact we found many IS available that needed a home, but none were suitable for us with Riley. If you breed from a good dog and a good bitch you would expect a good litter, sadly this is not always the case.

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Hi Sue.

If we had waited for a suitable companion for Riley from a rescue centre, we would still be waiting. They do have Labradoodle rescue centres and "Breed clubs", but they had no available dogs at the time of searching. Believe me, we searched far and wide. I should think that every breeder of pedigree, cross bred or mongrels has contributed to the over population of dogs and helped to fill the many rescue centres at some point. I doubt if any breeder can honestly say they have never bred a dog than ended up unwanted or in a rescue situation.

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Hi Sue.

I am not a must have person at all. You say easy come, easy go, not in my case. Every animal that is brought into my house has a forever loving home. It is totally different if you are looking for a dog with specific lines and I can understand that you may have a long wait. We would never chuck any animal out the door!

Our situation was very much different as we wanted another puppy as a companion for Riley. We got exactly what we were looking for. A nice looking dog that gets on so well with Riley. She was checked out by our vet and was given a clean bill of health. Only time will tell if she is going to get health problems, the same as Riley.

The breeder of Cassie did say "If you have any problems please let me know". I am not saying she would have been willing to take her back, but I think she would. Cross breed or pedigree breeders, some are good and others not so good.

I do hate these generalisations that infer only breeders of pedigree dogs are responsible breeders. Let's be honest, that is so untrue.

Before we got Riley we had an IS and a mongrel and we were as proud of the mongrel as we were of the IS. Both were beautiful dogs and we are still sad that we lost them within 12 days of each other. Both were quite old (IS 12.5 and mongrel 15.5), but still not a good time for us.

We have never bought a dog on a whim and have never regretted buying any of our dogs.

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If all the breeders of Setters take back any dogs they have bred and make sure a good home was found for them, then how come there are always dogs in the rescue schemes?  Where are the breeders of these dogs? (and no, they are not all from the working side, many are from show lines).

A lady who was involved in a scheme told me that even though they can trace the dogs back to their breeders through paperwork handed in with dogs, some breeders are not willing to co-operate and prefer the rescue to find a home for the dog.

Nobody can speak for the majority of breeders, we can only surmise.

Hi Torie.

That is a very good point. I totally agree with you again.

Sue...You said "temperaments have been fixed in Pedigree dogs".

Some of the pedigree dogs I have had contact with from rescue shelters are so aggressive it's unbelievable they are ever put up for adoption. I know everyone will say "oh but these dogs have had such a bad start in life" and in some cases this is true but in many cases these pedigree dogs have been bred from lines with temperament issues and these innate behaviours are not easily fixed.  They can be moderated to some extent with professional guidance but that all costs a lot of money and is not 100% successful.

I could give many accounts of serious aggressive behaviours in pedigree rescue dogs which would make your toes curl!

Here is just one example -

A young married couple who had bought their first home together were looking for a dog to rescue.  They called into the rescue every week-end to take a look at the dogs available.  A nice looking female GSD arrived at the rescue and caught the lady's eye, she had grown up with one as a child.

The rescue said "we will assess her and if she is suitable to be rehomed then you can apply to have a home check done and then come back and meet her" A week later the couple went back and the rescue said they had found the bitch to be easy to handle and good with other dogs, they said the bitch was around 2-3 years old and they would be happy to let the couple have her after a successful home check had been carried out.  The couple went every evening for the next week to walk the bitch around the grounds of the rescue to get her used to them and vice versa.  Everything was going well and a date for collection was made. The couple had bought all new 'stuff' for their new dog and set off to collect her.

The lady walked into the kennel as she had done many times before and bent over to attach the lead.  The GSD launched itself at her throat and if it had not been for her husband and a kennel maid stepping in goodness only knows what the outcome would have been.

She was rushed to hospital and had to have over twenty internal & external stitches to her throat and is scarred for life, mentally and physically.

The GSD's previous owner was notifed and said " they were a 'iffy' lot in that litter".

This dog had not been beaten, starved or anything else.  The previous owner was immigrating which was why she was put into rescue.

Hi Sue.

    How many Labradoodles have been reported for savaging children or adults? A substantial percentage of these so called accidents are carried out by pedigree dogs. People on here have said Labradoodles have behavioural problems, does that mean they are viscous or refuse to sit when told?

You can never trust any dog 100%, but you have more idea of the temperament if you get it as a pup. An adult dog from a rescue centre with no history is not always the best option. Hyperactive could be the perfect word to describe some Irish setters!

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Hi Sue.

I agree with a lot that you are saying. I have no reason to question your experience with dogs and can understand some of your opinions and feelings. Breeding with no consideration about what they are producing or where they are going is wrong, but it happens with pedigree dog breeders too. It seems that a lot of people think it is only the breeders of designer dogs that are bad.

I have read several cases of the rough collie doing damage to children (not recently) and plenty more of pedigree Rottweiler’s doing damage to children (quite recently). As a child I was attacked by a rough collie for no known reason. I was just walking down my road and it came up from behind. I was lucky as the owner was not far behind and pulled it off, I had bite marks on my arm, but no serious damage. I’m not too keen on Collies now!

Dogs are much the same as people, good and bad in every type.

Hi Sue

   I agree with you on most of your last post, but please remember, many pedigree dog breeders also do it just for the money. I think this happens a lot with Irish setters in Ireland. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Hi Torie.

I totally agree with what you have said. I think a lot of pedigree dog breeders have tunnel vision and can only see faults in breeds other than the ones they breed or dogs they have never had dealings with.

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Hi Sue.

Some pedigree dog breeders are like politicians, they spend too much time condemning any opposition.

Hi Sue.

It gets difficult to follow the discussion as you never know where the reply will end up!




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