Glad to hear she is OK, the incontinence is part of spaying, this is one thing the vets don't tell you about!!! and there are a few others, the coat is another, have you tried a King Comb dragged slowly through the coat, it takes most of the 'fluff' out, but you must be careful, how old is she now if she is over 5-6 have you thought of trying a 'mature' feed for her, I have found that you can feed more but not have the same weight gain, and yes it is a Setter thing, I think, can't get in the car, but can 'nick' stuff of the side. As far as the feeding regime is concerned you have to go with what your gut says.....(weigh up the prows and cons and make your own mind up).

Hi Deborah,
Thank you very much for your comment on my photograph and also the post you left! I've been so busy recently I've not been able to answer everything yet :-) How is your little girl? Is the throat infection gone?
It's great you've managed the recall with Barley. It can take such a long time with setters! Hope you are all well.

hi there how are you doing with your puppy. have you managed to go to any shows.We were at setter and pointer and mid counties we didnt get a look in though.she now in special yearling.ive just got back from training class we have ours on a thursday night.

Hello Deborah!
Thanks for comment, you have some cuties on your photos too.
Annika

oh dear im so sorry, i know how you must feel a loss from the pit of your stomach it must be. I really hope things get better for you. I have friends in different trades all affected by all this happening.Some on 3 days some lost jobs as in our area its all the potts and other comp like jcb,mitchln, and many more its so back .Are able to attend any shows or does that upset you to do that. I of coure realize some shows you have to pay to attend we get round that a lot but i be you feel cursed. I hope your other dogs all ok and not pining to much we all hope for better times come the new year.Im so sorry. i wish i lived closer to you then you could have come around with me . look after yourself and keep sending me messages.

merry xmas hope things improve for you in the new year, its not been kind to you this year. love to the dogs from us all.

i hope you are keeping well and hope that you are coping the hard times. You must be worrying with all what is going on with everything, so im hoping you may have had a lifeline or reprieve The weather here is so cold.Im due to go the hospical feb 8th for some results of tests i had before xmas.

Hi im glad things are not to bad at the moment for you.My husband is in merc and they are very quiet and i have friends at bentley and its tough on them and other friends in the motor trade is very bad all round.In fact doesnt matter where you work its rough all round.
The children around have been enjoying the bout of snow on our hills . getting their sledges out etc no schools for some though ours has been ok.
My bunch are well erin in season , poss willow will now follow suit.

hi there ive been so ill this past week well just over. Ive not been able to get into my page so i couldnt do messages for anyone.I had to cancel lmy hospical appointment with being off had ~Gastro Enteritis.not good but im on the mend now and plan visit to hospical tomorrow they changed it for me.
I would have had difficulty anyhow last time we got snowed in on our estate so only people having to go out went out.My husband had a few more told to be made redundant so it was sad ...

hello how are things with you. Has there been any improvenment lately.Ash returned this week from aus we diddnt know he was coming it was such a surprise.They as glen collected him planned a big surprise i thought i was seeing things as iwas talking to him on the phone and there he was...

well Ashley has got back at the start of spring but its colder than where hes been good job hes got a tan to keep him warm.Shadow is ok after his vet visit the results having been clear.Wont be long before his birthday apr 12th.
The video of ash surprise is on facebook are you on there at all.

no it wasnt me so someone else has my name.
We have always lived in sot .Very strange.

hi deborah, thanks, it was a great day at the beach, the beach is formby beach and nature park, i would definately recommend it,

amanda, holly & alfie

Hi hope things have inproved for you a little since our last chat. Shadow had a nice day for his birthday plenty and kisses and cuddles. It will be Willow s birthday shortly 24th. Ash has settled back at home ok after all that sun in australia. Hes gearing up for LIMA next. He made friends there with someone and others from all over so one by one i think he plans to meet them again.Since coming home hes had a visit from a couple of new friends he made. Its been a nice experiance for him.See new pics from easter.

Hi there Deborah
Who did you use??? Have you got homes for yours yet??? Haven't heard from you for a long time. Probably like me a little bit busy...Will you be keeping anything from your litter?? I only put in an order for 8 puppies, 4 boys and 4 girls, these bitches just won't listen will they, we are now over the time that they can be born, ie tomorrow will be day 57 so I can now relax. Jas lost hers at 6&7 weeks I have been worried all the way through that Saffy is going to do the same, first I worried that she wasn't pregnant, now I am worried as to how many, well I can't be happy unless I am worrying, it seems..Oh well next is the birth, then the raising. All the best Dee and the girls

Don't know why everyone wants a girl, got an inquiry yesterday ''for a girl''' but will never count my chickens before they are hatched, If I counted including mine. (If I said that every inquiry was a definite, and I have had too many puppies to think that this was fact) I have got 4 spoken for, BUT, 3 girls and 1 boy...ah well the puppies don't come out like that, or at least not in those numbers, I tried to get this person to take a dog instead, but no, they sound like good caring people. So fingers crossed that they get back to me....
I know about long labours, personally myself, but with the dogs as well. My Akita had one and then decided that she wasn't going to have any more where I wanted her to, and just stopped 41/2 hours later I took her to the vet, got an Oxitosin (?) injection and she had one in the car going home and another just after getting home. and me I learned that to let her have them where she wanted to, I had to pull Saffy out from under the bed last night, now that I definitely draw the line there...too cramped...Ah well only another 6 days now...
Speak soon Dee and the girls...

hi, long time since i heard from you im spending time on fbook. do =you go on there.ive not been to to many shows.was waiting on willow to have her season which is now over.the cost of shows is holding me back from too many.my brood are well ok now .. i did have erin operated on lumps taken away she is now on the mend.Im glad you are well ..How is things with your husbands job have things settled for him work wise.There doesnt seem to be much building going on around here. Next door my neighbour does drives and hes kept busy for months luckily. But my husband being on expensive cars nothing doing.some of the smaller garages are getting a little extra work now that the scap deal is on .Ive know a couple of friends take advantage of this but that wont work for everyone. Ash is in peru now so all is quiet. He left for there a week ago.Gone for a month.Its been lovely to hear from you.

glad things are a little better for you. nice to hear from youl. you will have to get on fbook im on there all the time and marie is also on with mel. ive got quite a few contacts on there and it means can chat and join up as neighbours on games you will have to come and join us..

With a bottle yes but not personally...I was so shocked when I got the call from the vet...There are a few little ones in there but they seem to be holding their own. I am feeding every 2-3 hours, but she had the C Section and that has made the milk supply a little slow in coming and as usual she hasn't started eating yet. Well she doesn't eat well at the best of time's. But now she is so much calmer, and the puppies are calmer now that they are getting fed. She has been tossing the babies all over the room, and then digging them into the bed or the vet bed etc. But life is much calmer now...thank goodness All the best and good luck with your lot, have you sold them all yet???
Dee and the girls

hi, so you will be looking forward to the hols then. you will have to set yourself up on fbook. i play on the games on there its good fun and ive made a load of frends all over the place. but it will have to be when your hands are free.Erin is doing fine and dandy. The others all ok thank goodness. hugs to to the gang.

Hi there Deborah I'm not sure where they came from, Nicole got them for me, unfortunately they grow out of them so quickly, I have had to change them already, they last about 4 days at the moment. But now that there was a revelation in 'numbering' the collars it doesn't matter what colour they have on, dah!!! now they are numbered I know exactly who they are....Great...all the best Dee and the gang brilliant invention...puppy collars

Hi Deborah, im in Norwood Green in Halifax. Judy Woods.
Love to meet up.
Do ur homework b4 u move to Spain. NOT good for Setters.
Steve x

Thanks for the welcome note. Sorrry for late reply each time I tried to open or send comments it took ages. I had virtually given up. This was my last attempt everything seems to be working quickly now

Hi there Deborah
I could have sold my babies 10 times over. So if you give the people my name, if you want I trim gundogs, So at least I could keep an eye on him for you...if you want of cause Glasgow is only half an hours drive away, do claws as well...
It really is bad up here for Setters, I now have a waiting list for the next litter, It is getting ridiculous...Dee and the gang

Oh I know...just had a litter of 12 all living with me in the house...and I was counting the days until they were picked up! :-)
Sweet yes - but certainly hard work as well!

I think I remember the 8 year old that has just been lost, don't remember the name though, I thought it might have been an Indian Gentleman that called me from Glasgow, wanting a dog that he could take back to India, Glad I didn't have one, wouldn't want one to go that far away....
Glen is a nice name, good luck with the end of the week, you won't know what to do with yourself, can't remember how many you had... People keep saying to me that I will miss them when they are gone well first NO I will miss all the work and them when they are asleep but I am keeping one so will still have a puppy for a while. Dee and the gang

Good luck with the puppies! Loking forward to see more of them in the future.

Hi Deborah, just had a look at your photos - they are really good. Good luck with your new girl - sounds like she needs to just spend some time at home with your gang to settle in before embarking on the big world of cars, buses etc Im sure in time she will be fine.

I have answered privately to this one, and my thoughts are with you all, I hope that she will recover soon, they do seem to bounce back well when they have any condition...
All the best, and am thinking of you, good luck Dee and the gang

I hope that she gets through the night well, if she does then she really does have a very good chance, when she comes home give her Arnica and Aconite (Both at 30c), the Arnica will help with the bruising and the Aconite is for the shock... give both at least three times a day. I had a couple that did do a 360 turn mostly they were just at the first signs of Bloat, but they did survive from the first bloat to the last was between the ages of 3..to...10 so there is always hope, I am keeping everything crossed for you all, and praying that she will be fine during the night. Please let me know how things are, private is good if you need to...Good luck to you all Dee and the gang
ps. This is so close to my heart, I really do feel for you and am having a job seeing what I am writing, can't stop crying, please do let me know, I am sure all will be well.... Dee

Hi Deborah, I'm relieved to hear that Jinney made it through the night and I do hope she can stomach some food today. My heart went out to you last night when I read about the torsion and I just wanted to let you know that in difficult times like this, there are also complete strangers like me on ES, thinking of you two and hoping for the best. Cornelia

Oh Deborah, I do hope your girl is ok - bloat is such a scare. Wishing a speedy recovery.
My girl is doing really well, changing as she matures, but such a loving and good natured dog - she is my world. Looking forward to breeding from her in the furture.
All the best - Denise x

Deborah,I am pleased that Jinny made it through the night.Let us hope that the worst is behind her.
I
Irish setters still can get torsion despite the stomach being stitched down, but hopefully you and Jinney will have many more happy years together.

Hi there Deborah.
I am so pleased to hear that she has made it through the night, and that she has eaten something. It all sounds promising. I hate to be the barer of bad news, but she can still bloat again but they say that if she has had a Gastoplexie (think that is how it is spelt, her stomach stitched) the stomach can't rotate, but if you are vigilant with her then she should live a perfectly normal life, from now on. But you will learn to read the signs, I can tell you that from experience. And yes this can be brought on by stress, how long did you say that you have had her??? Don't blame yourself, these things happen, unfortunately all too often.
Have you informed her breeder yet?? did you get her from her breeder?? has she had anything like this before with her ex-owner?? Will email privately the rest of this...Dee and the gang

I have said it before DON'T BLAME YOURSELF bloat is something that will happen whatever you do or don't do, perhaps she has had it before, if the last owner wasn't interested...so perhaps she knew what you were talking about and didn't want to be bothered with her any more, life is all 'what ifs' you will never know what started it off, it could have been a combination of all kinds of things, she has survived it, you will learn to live with it.
Colette was rite, I didn't want to say, but yes they can taution when stitched, the thing is that you will have to learn to know her moods, as I said before, mine started bloating at 2-3 years old and eventually died at 10 and they were not stopped from doing anything apart from one thing, the one thing that I will NOT do is exercise them for 2 hours either side of feeding. This to me is a 'must not do' with all of mine, difficult with them when I am trying to add weight, but do try it, not guaranteed but can't hurt. I hope that you have got her home now, Perhaps she is a candidate to have spayed that will take one problem away, and of cause you can't breed from her now....
All the best do keep in touch Dee and the gang and good luck...

Sorry I didn't see your other comment. Don't be polite with your vet ASK and argue with them they don't know everything, I have had a few 'heated' conversations with mine, and now we have a really good working relationship, (to the extent that she shows me lovely little things like an infected uterus that she removed the night before,) do ask..and question things please, they shouldn't mind, when you get conflicting statements from your vet you need to know just what is going on, after all you are paying for it, and paying dearly I might add. So don't be polite. I hope that she is better now Dee and the gang

Don't feed her off the ground, keep her bowl on the ground, US research has said that you are over 50% more likely to create bloat by feeding off the ground, quite a bit more likely.. I changed one of my girls to 'on' the ground and found that she didn't suck in so much air when she was feeding and drinking. If she isn't used to it don't start it, (Just my humble opinion, and quite a bit of research, Vets are still a little bit behind as to the 'on' 'off' thought. I have found with Jas that when she gets 'upset' she will actually gulp in air, you can hear her doing it, She really doesn't show stress but when she starts the 'gulping' you can see that she is stressed just by her demeanour.
I am glad that she is home, is she still 'sloshing' in the stomach?? they sometimes come back with the sound as they walk about, one of Saffy's operations she sat with her little belly sticking out and from the wound she just seemed to bleed, but it was just oozing, so don't worry too much if that happens either. Something clan to mop it up with, and all should be well.
Don't make too much of her though, you don't want her feeling as though there is something wrong with her, Caesar Milan always says 'they live for now, not for what has happened to them yesterday or tomorrow, just for the moment' it is so true. She is obviously a fighter so go with her on this..she is a survivor too. Good luck with her. All the best and good luck Dee and the gang

Hi there Deborah
I am afraid that if you are anything like me, the 'sensitive' problem, watching every move and listening to every grown etc will be with you for the rest of her life, it is a problem, I am still like it with these two here. I am going to be like it for ever more I suspect.
I used to have a castrated dog, it never stopped him from mating my bitches, they all had a wonderful time but with no consequences. I must say that he would have made a brilliant stud dog, never bothered the girls until they were spot on for mating, and he was rite in there...excuse the pun...Good luck and will follow the puppy, there are a few of mine on here now too. All the best Dee and the gang

Hello Deborah

I have just recently joined this site & geting used to it all. Just thought I would send my best wishes after seeing that Jinny had bloat. I hope she is recovering well I remember vividly the fear & upset I felt when one of my girls suffered the same. We were lucky it was caught very early & she made a complete recovery after a few scary moments. I am always on the alert for bloat & take all the precautions that I can. I don't feed for two hours after exercise & restrict the intake of water to just a few laps immediately after exercise. After feeding I always leave at least two hours before exercise & prefer it to be three - just incase! We have been lucky & Millie never had another episode - she lived to be eleven & broken my heart when she went. Hattie my present girl takes all the precautions & I watch her like a hawk - but we live for the moment & enjoy every day!!
Best wishes to you all.

Lesley & Hattie

Hi there Deborah
How is Jinny doing?? I hope that she is OK now..Thinking of you all
Dee and the gang

Deborah,Hope Jinney is now on the mend. If it were me i would take the dogs out for exercise before giving them breakfast.I do not think that even 2 hours before exercise is enough.I would think that there was less harm in giving food after the exercise I usually advise my puppy owners not to feed before exercise but after.

Hi there Deborah
That is a tricky one, to let of or not...I have been there many times, will she stay close or will she just run and run???if that is the case I should build her up before allowing her to do that, but if she will stay close then go ahead for a short time only. You can be the only one that will know how she will behave....Best of luck.
Did you manage to get any Arnica 30..it really does help with the healing process. Glad that she is doing so well, they really do bounce back well. Still thinking of you all Dee and the gang

Hi Deborah, I'm glad that your Jinney is better - hope she will be her old self pretty soon! Wishing you all the best with her. Cornelia and Joy

Hi there Deborah
Probably very wise to keep her as quiet as passable, but you have got to take the plunge and risk her for a proper walk, I know where you are coming from because I have been like this a few times with my girls, only you will know when you both are ready. As I have said before..............Good luck and hope all goes well, do keep us up to date as to how she and you are going.
Dee and the gang
ps if you get the Arnica, you can give it to her you or anyone else when there is trauma either a bang or an operation etc, very good for any kind of damage...

Hi just read your message. my comp went to be repaired so ive been a bit stuck. i did use glens when i could. How is you dog now after the bloat .I did ask the vet about walks and he said what i was doing was ok. i tend to be on facebook a lot can you hook up to me there also.I had cory,willow and the cats vaccinated the week before. Then last week a staffie attacked lisa and cory so i rushed cory to the vets and he had a antibiotic jab.

what a pity as im on it all the time. glad all is ok for you.cory was ok yesterday after last week.

Hi there Deborah
As for letting her off the lead you are always, from now on, going to worry, there is nothing that will stop you, but you just have got to let the dog have a life, that is the thing, quality of life, you could wrap her in cotton wool and she would be miserable, so just go for it, I know that I would feel the same as you...as for the eating thing, try and find the research that says about up or down, (US), down is a natural way, when they kill something it is in the animal, but not served up on a table, and the research says that you are more likely to GET bloat feeding off the ground, I found that my bitch took in much more air when fed off the ground, than when she was fed on the floor, but it is personal. I 'personally' feed on the ground, but there are many out there that feed off...ah dilemmas
But so so glad that she is happy and OK again, keep up the good work, all the best Dee and the gang

Merry Xmas and a Happy new year.Ive been taking spice the vets hes loosing his fur and has been for a while. As every time i went the vets with shadow and cory and erin in those months i kept telling the vet and he said poss stress and i did think the same but as its gone on now to long i kinda demanded blood test They kinda suggested fleas i said hes got noneand if he had they would been seed as there is now fur to hide in..so a dap was bought andtried.So now im waiting on the results of all this.
I myself have been the docs this morning and hospical for xray over my knee. its been bad for years.Arthitis in it

~only a few weeks back my tooth broke have not had chance to go and see about that though.Hope all your brood are ok. We now hope for a better new year

Hi sorry about delay only just seen your comment today even though i must go on the sight loads. Millie is doing very well she is into everything especially paper which she shreads. Everytime we go walking she makes me smile as she is so happy and just runs round and round. Millie is also becoming quite a guard dog barking at people coming to the house although she doesn't get off the sofa to doit ifs shes a bit tired.
Hope you have a great Christmas we will have to meet up in the new year and compare puppies.