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Seems like there has been a lot of discussion - to me directly and on the site - on the recent removal of a certain member. Wanted to provide some context:
- This member was warned multiple times and had multiple complaints from multiple members over several weeks. They will not be invited back. There are no plans to invite any previously removed members back, either.
- I really don't care how knowledgeable someone is (there are tons of knowledgeable members still here). If they are a rude to other members, they are gone, like a cancer that needs removal. Not sure this is a lot different than any other Internet site. I frequent several discussion forums and when people post things that are inappropriate or rude or vulgar, the content and/or member are removed. Seems pretty simple to me.
- Moderation is tough, especially on a site I no longer use because people were rude to me when it started. If we don't moderate, trolls run off members. If we 'over moderate', then people leave because they can't have passionate discussion. People are going to leave either way. It's like death and taxes.
- With a site of this size, there is no earthly way you can please everyone. I remember being in a leadership position in college and noticed with a group of just 30 people, every single decision I made disappointed or upset someone...without fail. This site has almost 2,200 members. Whenever a choice is made to leave or remove someone, people will be upset.
- People who 'threaten' to leave like the site like they are some critical contributor whose departure will crater the site...please let me know if you have any problems doing so and I would be more than happy to help you! :-)
David McIlveen Wright had a great suggestion a while back that I think we need to consider - a Code of Conduct. Here's the example David provided. This is NOT an official Ning or Exclusively Setters Code of Conduct, but it has a lot of positives:
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To me, a lot of the above is common sense, but you know the old adage about common sense. Open to suggestions on improving the moderation process so it optimizes the communities enjoyment of this site.
Thank you Gene.....Very well written and easy for all members to understand.......unfortunately, as good as your intentions are, I think after a cooling off period, humans being what they are, will again be back to what seems like normal behaviour on here including a few fireworks :))
Well said Gene and David;o)
Thank you Gene and David. Printed tick :-)
Gene I would like to thank you for being a moderator that is very responsive. You are the difference between face book and ES. That is why your site is such an international forum. Thank you for posting to allow all to reply to you openly.
Hi Rhonda, I must say some of the facebook groups are very good. The people that form those groups are very helpful and love setters. I joined Irish Setter Lovers and have found it informative and interesting. Members are from every part of the world and you can learn so much from them. They also have a sense of humour and I enjoy that. Please forgive me if I am wrong, but I feel you are not too keen on Facebook and I do not understand the reason why you are not. So far, I have not seen anyone be nasty to another member and no members have been thrown out. I think we could all learn from groups like that.
A huge thank you Gene for coping with all of us and giving us access to this super website! Sad that we have to spell out what is common sense, but as long as it works, and makes your life as moderator easier, then I am happy with the suggestion given. Lot of friendship have been made, learning possible, happy moments as well as sorrow shared, what a great community we can be part of thanks to you!!!
Best of luck for the moderation!
Yes thank you Gene as a fairly new member i just love this site, (",)
:-) I agree Chantal...
Thank you Gene and David, (as someone else said, David obviously has put a great deal of thought into this..and so have you)...I have to agree with other writers, that people being what they are, their personalities will show through again and again..but lets hope that agreeing to the above or something like it, we will try and modify behaviour..
I have felt, for the first time for a long time, free to put 'finger to key board' and comment without fear of being shot down in flames...thank you for making this possible again, as one of the first 400 here, on this site, it is lovely to be able to do this again...And I hope that the discussions will keep going, there is a great deal of knowledge here....we all have the rite to comment, and put our opinions forward, we may or may not be correct in what we say, or the way we say it....but we should be free to vocalise our thoughts....
Thanks again, looking forward to the debates;
Dear Gene (and David)
I am certain that ES will improve and get back to the way it used to be. I have to say that my experience has been the same as Dee's. Whenever I have commented on a forum topic in the past I have been "jumped upon" by a certain "little group" because my opinion differed and then I was accused of only making the comment to stir up trouble!!!
I have already noticed a positive change in ES. I also feel comfortable now in commenting on future forum topics when I am ready. I had a Facebook page but de-activated it. ES is the best on the internet as far as I am concerned. Thank you Gene!!
Hi Finding Beau. Could it be the positive change is due to less people bothering to comment on the site now? Kind regards. Andy