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Wow, thank you everyone for your responses and they are very helpful as sometimes just clarify things for me or indeed look at it from a different angle ie, superlorin delaying the 'young gun phase' etc.
I tend not to let Reuben pee, whilst on leash as he is really only on leash when walking through town, garden centres and the park path - so not appropriate. He has a lot of off lead time in fields etc and can pee all he wants then. I didnt want him marking the whole of nailsea, claiming it as his territory, and this has never been a problem until extreme randy hormones kick in. I do walk him on lead across fields more often lately as, i have to keep putting him back on lead for his general roaming too far and causing trouble for other dogs and their owners. Not aggression but having his nose firmly planted in their bum (the dog of course, not the owner) or just not coming back to me at all and usually would have tied a few groups of dogs and owners together by their own leads! Aggression is definitely not my main concern but i wouldnt want him thinking it is acceptable to be all mouthy with other dogs when he is on lead. And I usually just ignore this behaviour whilst walking at a fast pace with Reuben on a tight leash.
Fran , you exactly put my thoughts into perspective and understand where i am coming from. I dont want to change Reuben and hate the phrase and myth "oh yes, castration calms them down'. What i do want is a happy dog with happy owners who dont spend all their time worrying about their dog stressing or running accross roads, being a constant bother to others and possibly getting aggressive.
Yes the time of year must have an influence but the reason I have used superlorin before was because i didnt seem to get anywhere further forward without it and as Sue mentioned it was never a quick fix. maybe if i ride the storm and allow longer time and more effort (than already) on my part - things will settle. Realistically though, as a full time student, volunteer worker, mother and wife, I am not able to soley be around Reuben to ensure all my training methods ar e 100% consistent. My husband now understands how important it is and works with me and my dog walker does what he can which is great but after that I am exhausted. I am not making excuses as i enjoy training and very interested in Animal behaviour etc, but also have to acknowledge the limitations.
Also I (note I as in personal opinion) have to ask the question: Why are we so anti neutering setters? If honest a lot of owners dont want to because of the coat changes - so isnt that us owners putting our vanity before the dogs best intentions. I mean they run around with natural sex urges, that they are forbidden to aquire relief from , unless breeding for our purposes. Please do not shoot me down as i know not that clear cut but just something that crosses my mind when considering Reuben's welfare.
All I know is that when Reuben wasn't under the influence of raging hormones, he appeared happy, energetic, cheeky, relaxed at home and well trained. In comparison now, he is still cheeky and lovely etc but finding it hard to focus on us at all when out, wont play fetch or hide and seek and whines a lot. This then results in his dad getting very cross and frustrated with him, me chasing after him alot and other people being very grumpy with us too. So for now as still in a quandry about a permanent decision to remove his bits and pieces, we have decided to implant again and try and get things back on track (like Sue suggested) and revaluate after that.
Thank you everyone and this really is a topic that crops up all the time isnt it, lol!
Oh and Terry, i have cats and would castrate them everytime. But glad you havent experienced any problems.
My Cash is 2 1/2 now. Neutered at about 8 months old. He can get excited and try to hump my teenage son often, a quick push off and firm no and that ends that. He has never tried to mount another dog. I find this discussion very interesting because we do have 90% neutered males at our dog park daily. We have a few elderly intact males that don't bother a soul but have an entire park following them and sniffing them intently. The whole vibe changes when an intact adult comes in. Not a pup but adult male. Today this lovely German Shorthair, intact, was just frantic going dog to dog, male or female, trying to groom and mount. The dog is just over a year old. I watched him grow up and he was totally into the field and the birds. Now everyday I see him, he is just fixated on finding someone, anyone to hump. He is panting and I wouldn't say he looks to be enjoying himself. Since one after another the dogs force him to stop it. So in that regard, I would say this young dog is very hypersexual. And not enjoying himself in the least. But I do see many intact males who are just fine and mannerly. I would say Louise that it is just so individual with each dog. I agree with Sue H. Try another implant for the year and see how things go after that. Given a choice I probably would have left my boy alone. But it was for best for our situation to neuter him. And while his coat isn't as fabulous as one would want, I love him just the same and do the best I can (with Tracy's help) to keep him looking groomed. Like Rueben, Cash is our family pet, and he is such a happy boy. I wouldn't want him to spend his days just looking for a mate. I hope Reuben's hormones settle down with age and that you can look back and be glad you waited another year to see. BUT, the big but, it's so true that if your trying to neuter for aggression issues, waiting will only reinforce it and not give you the results you want. Leash aggression can be more common, it's an unnatural way for dogs to meet. I see that all the time. They are sort of trapped so they have to bark out and take on a different approach as another dog moves towards them.
I understand that being on a short leash forces dogs to meet head on which is unnatural to them and usually a sign of dominace/threat. If the dogs are off leash they normally approach each other side on as a sign of subordinance, often turning their heads as well before they are sure that it's ok to go for a sniff. I find this quite useful when walking Errol on the leash and tend to actually keep him on a loose leash when approaching other dogs rather than to force him to walk at heel which I feel just hightens the tension. So far we've had no problems and we have a number of "heavy duty" dogs around where we live.
Cara loves clothes, she always has some in her mouth, socks, underware, jeans, sweaters never know what she is going to bring me
Best wishes Reuban and your family. Hopefully life will be more relaxed for all.