French Championship 13/06/2009 : The disaster.....for the "french" Irish setter....

[Cecilia GUIOT]

I'm really ashamed to present you the best bitches from the french championship. The CACIB went to the bitch from the left ( 4 years) !!!!!!
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[Catherine Carter]

Thank you Cecilia for giving us the correct names and the correct information about the photo of the French championship.

[Catherine Carter]

This bitch won the CACIB

[Carmel Murphy]

You cannot blame the photographer! There was a second photo from the show also and she still looked in poor condition!! As for her photo on the RedClub's website, yes a beautiful animal, but not a setter!! Still looks to me like a red pointer! Perhaps the RedClub should rename their dogs French Red Setter? They have already their own breed standard anyway!

[Carmel Murphy]

Dog or bitch it still looks more like a pointer!!! But at least in superb condition unlike bitch at show!!

[Carmel Murphy]

Sorry I cannot agree with you on this" right dog style is a measure of dog purity" A cross bred dog could have an excellent working style but doesnt make it look like one breed or another!!!! And yes I do know what an english pointer looks like!! Short body coat(like setter in photo)lighter bone(like setter in photo)dish face(like setter in photo)no feathering(like setter in photo)strong,wide chest(like setter in photo)

[Catherine Carter]

Yes I agree with Carmel, style is not sign of purity if you have lost most of the Breed characteristics. Any crossbred could work like a Setter and yet would be a cross and not an Irish Setter.

[Selkie Woman]

I know I am a little late to the party, but the discussion is now gone into the realms of absolute fantasy. If the French exhibits are the one extreme then let's look at the other.Log onto Irish Setters Uk and Ireland. Scroll down to the photo of the European Winners Show in Dublin and take a very good look at what was deemed to be Best in Breed winner. Is this horrible exhibit correct? Absolutely not. The French exhibits are not intruders. They are what they are , working Irish Setters capable of doing what they are meant to do. This Irish Native Breeds Irish Setter Best of Breed is atrocious. Is the breeder proud of this? Dish face. No chest = no stamina. Rounded from occiput to stop. Brick on brick ……………..I think not ! It is boned like a Great Dane , no defined muscle. One has to wonder if this dog ever runs freely ? Sadly judging in the homeland has not reference to any Breed Standard, It is purely about faces and so you get horrible results like this. In the European show this same exhibit was Best in Breed, but then its breeder was the Irish Setter Ring Stewart , , and the judge was the Breeder's friend ……………………..Breed Standards. Is this an Irish Joke? I laugh from across the pond. Most judges do not even know the Breed Standard. How otherwise would horrible dogs like this win anything, So you still think that things, apart from the Puppy being a prize, that is criminal, in France are worse?

Lover of Irish Setters

[Melinda Auld]

Hmm...perhaps I'm being naiive...but it'd be nice to think we could all participate on this forum without resorting to denegrating ANY dog as "horrible" and "atrocious." The thing I used to love about this site was how nice it was to have somewhere to come where people from all over the world could enjoy their Setters in whatever form they happen to take - field-type, show-type, European, UK, Australian, American... Not any more, it seems.

What are people trying to prove?? The "showies" will not change the opinions of the "fieldies" and the "fieldies" won't make the "showies" rush out and change their dogs either. Deal with that simple fact, and just accept that everyone here has the right to love their own type of Irish as they see fit. Being rude and cruel to each other achieves nothing except to polarise both sides even more.

And before we start the "he said-she said" blame game, let's not forget - we're ALL IRISH SETTER LOVERS here. I personally find it reprehensible to read about ANYONE'S dog being called horrible. Remember - you always CHOOSE what you post. If you don't like what others have posted, maybe show some dignity and restraint and keep your nastiness to yourself? If you choose to post something nasty and belittling about one photo of a dog you've probably never seen in the flesh...what do you think that says about you? It certainly says nothing about the dog.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions - but that doesn't mean your should feel compelled to share them with the world, especially if your intention is to make other people feel bad or upset. If that's the only aim of your game, here's an idea - keep your nastiness to yourself and DON'T POST.

I'm sorry to post this, and I'm sorry if it comes across as the opposite of my intentions. But come on, people. I'm sure we're all better than what we've become.

An Irish Setter lover.

[ursula wilby]

I think Melinda made a valid point here!

[Catherine Carter]

To Selkie Woman,
Yes you are rather late in the discussion and if you are going to post personal and abusive posts like the one above, I feel this site is not for you!