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Hi Sue, sorry to hear that this is still proving to be such a nightmare for you and I can understand why you would be upset given his behaviour is so different to his norm. Did you try a nail file like this one http://www.mikkipet.com/?mikki_grooming=nail-file ?
We have virtually no pavements where I live so Bella's claws do require some assistance as they don't seem to wear down much. She went through a phase at about 10mths where she decided claw clipping was not for her, her reaction no where near as dramatic as Cash's I have to say. She also would let you massage her paws all night long but would run away if she saw clippers and have to be captured and it was so difficult to manage her that it just felt dangerous to do them.
I bought one of these manual files at Pets At Home and then in the evening when she was sleepy cuddled next to me on the sofa I just did one stroke on one claw. The first time she snatched her paw back and took herself off so I left it a few days and then did the same thing and she took her paw back but stayed put next to me so I gave her a treat and did no more but I slowly built up from there. Only doing a few strokes at a time for months until we got to the point where she would happily sit with me and have both of her front paws filed away like a lady at a salon. To cut a long story short (no pun intended) we then went through the same cycle bringing the clippers back in and we are now at the point where she lies down whilst my husband clips them and expects a treat after every claw. It's quite funny because she rejects boring treats if offered and takes her paw back waiting for him to bring out the big guns of Liver Cake. I know I'll probably get told off for pandering to HRH on that one but in the grand scheme of things I am happy to over indulge if it makes the clipping easy, for me you have to pick your battles! We only do them about every 6 weeks with the odd in between file just to take the edge off.
I know that was not the help you were after but I wanted you to know that you weren't alone in the nightmare of claw management and hopefully some of the more experienced dog owners and trainers will be able to help you make the decision about the medication or perhaps have had to use this and can give you some real experience as to how it will affect Cash. We had to have Bella mildly sedated for an ear exam once as she was in so much pain from an infection she wouldn't let the Vet near her and it was a no-brainer as to whether to do it, but for an ongoing issue it is more of a dilemma. Did the Vet say that this is just to get him over the inital first few times so he realises that it doesn't hurt or is it something you will have to do forever? Did the Vet say how long the effects of the Xanax would last? I don't envy you the decision.
I am going to take him to the vet with me since they expect me to pick up the meds later today.
I will chat with her. She was Dubs vet also and knows how neurotic I can be about my boy. I am sure she will offer some help. I wish they could just strap him into something to hold him and do the deed quickly with meds. Of course that would mean he would HATE going to the vet then!! Not a good idea either I guess.
Hi Sue pity that you are so much trouble i thing in your situation see you vet he might suggest that you have the dog with him (knock him out ) sorry if its sounds bad it will be better for you and the dog less stress and painfull to me i would do it again your vet will be very helpfull to you i know to well what it is like to try and trim nails worse again dogs with black nails you might have thought about this all ready and not to sure about it how old is cash and did you have this problem since a pup best of luck
I'm with you and it is stressing me out to no end. I have similar problems with my 7 month old... so I will be very interested in what you try and how it works.
I've been working with him on the paws, he lets me hold them and play with his front, and is pretty good about the back although he gets impatient with them more quickly. He has become very wary as I tried and got the quick once early on. Now he views anything I have in my hands when he is lying down with great suspicion.
Now I've been working back up to clipping, showing him the clippers and can sometimes rub them against his paws, but he freaks and start flailing his paws if I tried to put it on the nail. That was how I caught the quick before, I thought it was positioned correctly, but he pushed me away as I was clipping and the clipper moved a little. I'm paranoid about hurting him, I've even picked up a dremel to try, but I'm just as traumatized as he is about the whole thing. With the dremel you have to be careful about getting his hair caught...
I took him to a pet store and he fought too much with them... it is looking like having the vet do it is the next step, but the person I talked to at the vet encouraged me to keep trying since it would traumatize him more to have strange people hold him down in a strange place and cut his nails. He's way to big and strong for me to restrain when he is in that state.
The situation was not helped by some ear problems, I had to put drops in his ears every night for 3 weeks and so each evening he watched me to see if I'd pick anything up that wasn't food, i.e., the bottle with ear medicine. He got very worried each evening as bed time approached, scrunching up his face and watching me from the corner of the room and refusing to come near... of course in the morning all was forgotten and he just wanted to me to sit on his bed and play with him.
The vet's office didn't mention giving me something like Xanax I could use at home... that might show promise if it worked, since if I can do it at home and over time he might get used to it and I could wean him off the Xanax, but I wonder what the side effects are with dogs... never heard of giving it to dogs.
Please let us know what you end up trying and how it works! I am sure there are a lot of people in the same situation.
Yes, I'm in the US, out in California, so I'll take a look at Petco... is it a dremel equivalent or something you use with the dremel? I'm not picturing how you put the paw into something, but I'd love to be able to put his paw in something and pull it out with the nails all done! Somehow I think that is probably not what you're describing, but a girl can dream! ;-)
I picked up an actual dremel (7300), just haven't gotten the nerve to use it yet... but I'm working with him on it. I was at a session where they recommended pulling an old nylon over the paw and poke the nails thru to keep the hair back, but he is so suspicious of me where his paws are concerned, I think that he'd know something weird was going to happen. I'll go with your suggestion and try trimming the hair back between his toes, etc.
If I could make progress on the nails it would be a big worry off my mind!
LOL, How could I have missed the link?
Although I needed your description..wouldn't have understood how it worked from the site. It is worth paying $50 ($25*2) to be able to do his nails... do you not have to worry about the angle, or just get it into the hole for 3 seconds? That does sound less stressful. I may end up with one of the Peticures too! I'll have to find some hobby to take up that requires the Dremel in that case.
I'll play with the dremel and get him used to the sound... that will be needed regardless of which one... and report back.
Although maybe we're going about this all wrong, perhaps the owner is supposed to take the Xanax, not the dog! ;-)
PS. I'll be sure to yell GOOD BOY CASH! ;-) That seems like the most important part, well, it is definitely my favorite part... I can see you with your chorus cheering Cash on! ;-)
I know Tracy, we invested in a good dremel which luckily my husband has found many uses for in the garage anyway. But this one just works better for nervous nellie Cash.
It is as powerful it just has the attachment to slip the nail inside so I don't have to hang on for dear life. Tracy you have done Cash enough times to know the last time was a not a fun time! Well he got worse since you saw him last. I won't give up though. I hear your voice telling me he has to have it done and he has to toughen up about it.
Joe is loving that tool. He does his mother's Golden with it and ran over to do my sister in laws Golden tonight who is a fuss bucket about it too. Can't wait to hear how that went. Click on the link I left above to see it. It is powerful enough that it seriously does take the whole tip right off in 3-4 seconds. That is all the time they recommend you put a nail in it. Joe thinks the motor on it is as powerful as his shop dremel. It has this recharageable battery pack for it. Although it sort of looks like the pedi paws thing that was a joke - it isn't the same as far as power. That pedi paws one takes a couple double A batteries. Which can't produce enough power. This take that further with more power but the plastic tip to put the nail inside of it.