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I didn't want to hijack Emma's thread so started a new one.
Whilst at a show on Saturday, and also from a reply on Emmas thread, it would appear that vets in some countries will take x-rays for hip scoring without the use of any medication at all. In view of what happened to Henry last week I would be keen to find out more about this so I can check with my vet as to whether he would be prepared to go down that route...(I did ask him previously and he said you can't get an accurate reading that way), but if others are able to do it and I can find out the methods used, then I would happily approach every vet in the country to see if I could find someone that would indulge me.
I wondered therefore, if anyone has a vet that has x-rayed the hips for scoring purposes without the use of any meds, would you please let me have details and either a contact email address or website, regardless of where you are in the world, if I can get enough information about their procedures, and they are keen to share of course, then I will be very happy, and it may mean a lot more dogs get scored if I can pass on any info I get.
Many thanks in anticipation :-)
Thanks Tracy, and yes I am in the UK :-)
This is the print-out the vets gave me so that I could warn any vet that may treat him in the future:
Dog premedicated with Medetomidine and Butorphanol (0.3)mg each, for hip scoring and x-rays - prior to induction of anaesthesia HR taken and found to be bradycardic (30-32 bpm) with rapid, relatively shallow breathing. MMc remained pink and CRT < 2seconds throughout - possibly arrythmia under sedation with some beats showing 2 in rapid succession - this did not seem typical of sinus arrythmia given the rapid breathing. Decision made not to anesthetise dog given elective nature of the procedure, sedation reversed, HR incerased to 43 bpm, berathing rate and depth returned to normal and no eveidence of arrythmia (sinus arrythmia only).
I thought the above was interesting.Especially the conclusions paragraph.
I am glad Henry is ok now.
I would add that he is allergic to the drug on his ID disc.
Thank you all so much for your replies, I haven't heard back from the homeopathic vets yet but have had a couple of pm's that I will be following up.
It's a shame that it's illegal to hold an animal for x-rays as I feel, at the moment, that is the only option open to me, and obviously I don't think any vet is going to trust me enough not to tell anyone we did it without meds, as much as I can tell them I won't spill the beans, if it's their livelihood at stake then I can understand where they would be coming from.
Henry is back at our own vets on Thursday, they don't know any of this at the moment so I will take my print-out and see what they have to say. To be honest, how I feel at the moment I won't have him scored if it means he has to have meds, I would rather just not do it, but they may say that they used the Propofol when he was attacked, and he sailed through that op, I will then have to sit down and think long and hard about it.
The vet I took him to did explain what had happened to him, but I was so scared and upset that a lot of it went over my head, which is why they gave me the print-out.
If nothing else, at least this thread will perhaps give others an insight and they can double check what meds are being used on their dogs. I would imagine though, that Hen's reaction was a rare one, otherwise they wouldn't use it.
Thanks again, I really appreciate all the comments and the messages. :-)
Thanks Tracy :-)
I suppose it's like most things in life, one person or animal can be treated with a medicine and be fine, another has a reaction to it..and he did react to the reversal immediately, which was good. I suppose I am just that bit more worried as it happened to me previously, although a totally different vets in a totally different county, and 14 years apart, I had thought the first time was a fluke, and sadly we lost my baby boy..thankfully these vets brought Henry back to me.
Interesting point about the ACP Jo because I had a dog years ago who went into convulsions after sedation with this drug and I now have NO ACP on all my dogs veterinary records. Louis was x-rayed under sedation and it was agreed prior to the procedure that the vet would use an alternative sedative.
Sheree, another drug might work for Henry. Can I just say that the majority of breeders hip score their dogs because they are going to breed from them. If Henry is never going to be used at stud, perhaps, for his own health, it might just be better not to put him through this.
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