Irish Red & White Setters

Comment by Trudy Walsh on July 12, 2011 at 12:34pm

Gaye O'Connor (Caispern) has three dog puppies available. This is her e mail address eoc1@talktalk.net

Comment by Martin Rowles on July 12, 2011 at 12:53pm

Margaret Sierkowski of Dalriach has just had a litter born, I assume with some girls still avaliable as they were only born a few hours ago.

 Good luck

Comment by Mary Walshe on July 12, 2011 at 1:54pm

Forgive my lack of knowledge here but as one who knows nothing about outcrossing after reading this I have a question. Isnt the English setter a totally different breed of dog, so if thats the case then why would the English setter be used in outcrossing the IRWS, if an outcross to a different breed was necessary to keep the breed genetically healthy etc...  would it not be the close relation of the IRWS; the Irish Red Setter that would be considered for the role? To all of you knowledgeable setter breeders I am sure that my question is a stupid one but it sort of feels strange to me that the English setter would have been used for an outcross in the breeding of IRWS.

Comment by Martin Rowles on July 12, 2011 at 3:53pm

As far as I know English setters are not being considered for the role of outcrossing with IRWS, only selected Irish Setters are to be considered, that is, if the go ahead is given.

Comment by Mary Walshe on July 12, 2011 at 5:13pm

Thanks Martin I was looking at the first pages of this discussion where someone mentioned an English setter but I hadnt realised when I posted that the comment was so far back. Thanks for the info. It makes sense too that if any dog was to be used it would be the Irish Setter for the purpose of outcrossing. Thanks!

Comment by Ann Millington on November 22, 2011 at 3:03am

The question of 'English Setter in IRWS breeding' is an old red herring - given as a reason for ticking in IRWS coats.  This ignores any investigation into coat colour inheritance - ticking is a separate gene and may be present in in solid coloured dogs - just not seen.  Centuries ago, dogs were bred for performance not for breed identity as such.... so who knows what breeds were added?

The current 'fear' comes from the statement that the four Setter breeds are equally close genetically - this has been verified on different occasions in studies by independent geneticists.

There is no genetic reason why English and Gordon Setters could not be used along with Irish Setters in an outcross if the fear of health  problems is the motive.  The objection is that the IRWS would be altered from the current breed standard - a black and tan IRWS?, a Belton IRWS?, a solid red IRWS?  The dogs could probably be very healthy or possibly very unhealthy with diseases added from the other breeds, but with COIs of 0% and the possibility, over many generations, of 'breeding back' to the original IRWS colour.

Comment by Susie Warren on July 22, 2012 at 1:10am

Comment by Susie Warren on July 22, 2012 at 1:13am

We have a dog puppy unexpectedly available at 8 weeks.  For more details on the litter please see www.lovenjoelsetters.co.uk They are Autumnwood Gold Standard ex. Royston Duchess at lovenjoel.  All health tests have been carried out and are clear, hips 4:4 & 5:2.  COI = 9.6

Comment by Judyta Gnyp-Nosal on July 23, 2012 at 2:23am

We have available puppies from two couples:

- J.PL.Ch. Dreams Come True Shadow Dog & Int.Sh.Ch. Exclusive's Gypsyboy

- PL.Ch Jarda Rysi Wykrot & Multi.Ch, Int.Ch, Int.Sh.Ch. Leo Bojandoli

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