Raw Feeding

Comment by silvia on May 15, 2012 at 3:42am

Hi Sue.. I know the feeling.. with Oberon we keep rotating: Naturediet , Natural Instinct (this can be raw one week or coocked in microwave the following week, since luckily for him they amount to two "different" foods ;)) , or chicken /turkey or beef mince. We usually add a steamed slice of ox tail in the evening (sometimes it was lamb neck, but I found it too fatty and gives bit of dundruff)

None of the above lasts more than a couple of weeks, but rotating between them every 7-14 days makes Oberon eating well.  But yes, I reckn the "look at this poison in my bowl" and stepping back with sad eyes toward the corner of the room which is the further away from the bowl..sometimes IS can be such strange dogs :)

Comment by silvia on May 15, 2012 at 3:48am

Hi Teresa.. I am not a nutritionist so I cant tell the reason of this.. But, at least for Oberon, lamb neck seems to be too fatty (gives a bit of dandruff, that stops immediately once we stop the lamb). Also, I would never give pork meat since in italy we consider this too fatty for dogs.. We stick on beef/chicken/turkey. Maybe you wish to try to remove all meats which are a bit fatty for a while, and see how it goes? Also: sometimes loose stools may be a sign of over-eating: maybe you wish to check if he has loos stools in those days in which  he has eaten a bit more?

Comment by Rita Wilson on May 15, 2012 at 4:20am

Sue how long would you leave the food down for? Dogs are very crafty and they know we will swap the food if they don't eat it. I had such issues a few years ago of dogs not eating now they eat anything I put down. Leave the food down for a few minutes if the dog doesn't eat it, lift the bowl and give it in the evening. A dog will not starve itself, Ole fasted for 2 days refusing to eat he has never done this since. He knows if the bowl is lifted he won't get anything till the next feed. I used to have to swap the food every few months and he'd turn his nose up at feeding time. 

Comment by Rita Wilson on May 15, 2012 at 4:23am

I meant to say the dogs always think something better is coming along and will refuse to eat what you put down. That's when people start cooking food and trying anything to get their dog to eat. I've done this myself in the past.

Comment by Teresa Jones on May 15, 2012 at 4:51am

Yes Silvia, i think you could be right about too  much particularly inone meal i was thinking this myself and i've noticed after breakfast he seems to digest his food better ie no wind and i don't give him so much in the mornings.  However he is not overweight vet weighed him in a couple of weeks ago at 28.5kg he is a year old but yes maybe too much in one meal.  What about probiotic biotic has anybody used this seems a bit expensive but if any good i'll get it reviews seem to be good.  Also has anybody tried stag bones (literally stag's antlers) i've heard their good recreation bones

Comment by Rita Wilson on May 15, 2012 at 7:36am

When speaking to the homeopath he said to get the probiotic from the fridge. The shelf ones will have most of the bacteria dead. I'll be trying stag antlers for our dogs soon, I've heard nothing but good reports about them. 

Comment by Sue Paterson on May 15, 2012 at 12:57pm

Well as to how long we leave food down...about 15 mins but no longer as they aren't interested. Have put them together for competition..still not interested. Have even brought in the top dog even though he's not having the raw at the moment...a bit of growling and standing over from Steo and then walked away!

We then bring the bowls out again the next meal....nothing....we went for 5 meals and then caved in and topped it with cottage cheese which they ate, but not the meat underneath....Steo is a rather lean boy and I'm worried if the pup isn't eating. So this has gone on for about 3 weeks or so and yesterday I gave Steo Naturediet which he wolfed down. Then I gave it to Callum and he too wolfed it down, so I guess I may be colluding with them and I swore I wouldn't!

I will not give up on raw completely (I've got a few freezer drawers full anyway!!), but I need to feel a bit stronger and to do that I need Callum to be a bit older so I'm not so neurotic about his development.

By the way the stag bars are really good...they last ages if my lot are anything to go by, and clean, so they can have them on the lounge carpet with no problem.

Comment by Teresa Jones on May 16, 2012 at 2:03am

Thanks Rita and Sue definitely going to get some stag bones because knuckle bones and oxtails are a bit messy on the carpet so he'll just have to have those in the garden or kitchen.  I gave Murfee yoghurt and honey when he was younger but wasn't sure at the time if the yoghurt was making him a bit loose maybe again i was giving him too much, would once a day, 1 tablespoon? be enough do you think? Sue have you tried them with chicken wings Murfee has always loved these from the beginning i think he was a bit frightened of half a chicken at first he used to poke at it and bury in the garden i think you just have to introduce slowly or try them with a bit of soft meat mixed in the Naturediet i buy economy pork chunks or lamb chops add a chopped clove of garlic pour over water to make a gravy and add some chopped fresh herbs i usually have basil and coriander on the window cill and maybe a teaspoon of honey dogs like bears love honey and is very good for them i they are unwell and can't /won't eat

Comment by silvia on May 16, 2012 at 2:32am

mmm teresa, I would be be careful with yogurth (= may give loose stools) and garlic (most people consider it a bit of a dangerous food, although not as much as onions that are a no-no..) 

ha ha: chicken wings for the Oberon's brother??? (Steo and Oberon are bothers) you must be jocking;). Oberon falled in love with them for ~2 months during his first year of age, and since then absolutely hate them , I know the feeling ;)

anyway, Sue: certainly you want to use the freezer's contents, maybe you can microwave for 3-5 minutes some of the raw meat, if is without bones... This is what we do, and apparently they believe is a different food ;)

we also leave the bowls for 10' at most, and it didnt worked with us: i mean, if it has to be a no-no day there is nothing we can do..

Comment by Teresa Jones on May 16, 2012 at 5:02am

Sorry to say Sylvia but you are misinformed about garlic some people may think it dangerous for dogs but not all and if you look up holistic sites for dogs you'll find that it has many benefits such as keeping pests/fleas at bay and good for digestion as with humans.  Don't believe everything that allopathic vets tell you most of them don't agree with raw feeding at all and consider that dangerous!

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